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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC - ExtremeTechJun 26 00:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, ^Jun 26 00:01
XRevan86Silly person, there's nothing wrong with hard-connecting something to the Internet and giving Microsoft more control.Jun 26 00:02
XRevan86 hm, this happened.Jun 26 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “I’m totally screwed.” WD My Book Live users wake up to find their data deleted | Ars TechnicaJun 26 00:02
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*MinceR has colors as wellJun 26 00:29
techrights-news"Smart" 26 00:43
techrights-newsCome to #GNU #Linux ... 26 00:45
schestowitzMinceR: but first wash the whites, you'll get around the colours when the shirts are all used upJun 26 00:46
techrights-newsThey say there is "no free lunch"... 26 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Apps to Automatically Back Up Your Photos in Android - Make Tech EasierJun 26 00:47
techrights-newsCoreboot Is Ridding Its Need For Intel's FSP-T Blob 26 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open source cache as ram with Intel Bootguard | Tux MachinesJun 26 00:50
techrights-newsMore scandals in #debian and #Gulag Summer of Work (GSoC) 26 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pranav Jain & Debian, DebConf, unfair rent boy rumorsJun 26 00:55
techrights-news#CentOSStream vs. #CentOS Linux: #IBM #RedHat Explains the Differences | IT Pro ⚓ ䷉ #itprotoday should recognise the real objective of IBM here; all about money! Not community/sharing.Jun 26 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CentOS Stream vs. CentOS Linux: Red Hat Explains the Differences | IT ProJun 26 00:57
techrights-news" #Nexcom adds 8-inch and 12.1-inch products to its Panel PC family. The new Bay Trail-based units provide wider operating temperatures, AR, auto dimming and more Gbit Ethernet ports." 26 01:00
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techrights-news"Don’t forget to take the Annual Fedora Survey and claim your badge! Fedora Linux 35 System-Wide Change proposals are due Tuesday." #ibm surveys the "assets" that are unpaid volunteers. 26 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-25 – Fedora Community BlogJun 26 01:01
techrights-news#GSoC 2021 #KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2 #kde #freesw #GulagSummerOfWorkJun 26 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GSoC 2021 KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2Jun 26 01:01
techrights-news"I am almost at the end of the third week of my Outreachy internship and the journey has been nothing but phenomenal so far! I’ve learned so many new things! Outreachy has been a journey filled with learning for me, right from the contribution period." 26 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Everyone Struggles – Veena NagarJun 26 01:03
techrights-news"Based on that and on talks with both my mentor (Alexander) and Jonas Dreßler (an experienced GNOME Shell developer who has fought with animation API designing before) I’ve come with the following UML diagram..." 26 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GSoC update – designing an animation API – Manuel GenovésJun 26 01:03
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techrights-newsAriadne Conill: understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different #gnu #linux #alpinelinux #freeswJun 26 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different – Ariadne's SpaceJun 26 01:09
techrights-news"If you have a command that outputs a lot of data to the terminal, you might want to send that output to a file for easier (or later) viewing or sharing. Jack Wallen shows you how." 26 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux: How to send command output to a file - TechRepublicJun 26 01:09
techrights-newsAfter taking money from #Microsoft the #Collabora company outsourced to Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware trap/prison: "On 1 October 2020, Collabora Online moved to its new home on GitHub" 26 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Collabora - the world's leading LibreOffice services company - online & pcJun 26 01:11
techrights-news#GSoC and Outreachy in #GNOME and #KDE • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GSoC and Outreachy in GNOME and KDE | Tux MachinesJun 26 01:12
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 26 01:14
techrights-newsDigital transformation, changes in the database market drive #Postgres growth #db #psqlJun 26 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Digital transformation, changes in the database market drive Postgres growth - SiliconANGLEJun 26 01:17
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techrights-news"Reg readers have a reputation as never being short of an opinion. So, it is with more than a little surprise that we must declare our latest debate, on the motion Containers will kill Virtual Machines, was a tie!" 26 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Will containers kill VMs? There are no winners in this debate • The RegisterJun 26 01:20
techrights-newsFlatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With #Flatpak #ibm #redhatJun 26 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Flatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With FlatpakJun 26 01:22
techrights-newsThe 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraints ⚓ 26 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraintsJun 26 01:23
techrights-newsLots of #microsoft #googlebombing and fluff in #TheRegister this past week. Very very disappointing, but not too shocking. 26 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fall of The Register | TechrightsJun 26 01:24
techrights-newsFact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression #FirstAmendment #BremertonJun 26 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression: Atkinson, Andelson, Loya, Ruud & RomoJun 26 01:25
schestowitz"Poor code quality is actually a widespread problem and quite a bit of evidence supports the claim that bad coding practices lead directly to vulnerabilities. While this isn’t new, perhaps the first time that people truly became aware of it was in 2001 when the Code Red worm exploited a buffer overflow attack on Microsoft’s Internet Information Services (IIS)" 26 01:26
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schestowitziar-systems-from-code-quality-to-total-securityJun 26 01:26
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*activelow isn't a good programmerJun 26 01:29
techrights-news#ArsTechnica is spamming and #googlebombing for #microsoft ... to help Microsoft distract from ACTUAL news. As expected... 26 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | TechrightsJun 26 01:30
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techrights-newsStay classy, #theHill ... helping to portray people who try to save the planet "zealots"... 26 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The latest victims of the far-left's environmental zealotry: Long Islanders | TheHillJun 26 01:32
techrights-news#RedHat , #Fedora and #CentOS Stream • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #LinuxJun 26 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat, Fedora and CentOS Stream | Tux MachinesJun 26 01:33
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techrights-news#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 01:34
techrights-news#iam is a bribed mouthpiece of #corruption -ridden #epo management. Hardly surprising that it also celebrates #taxevasion by means of #patents 26 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eight years of the UK Patent Box – what has changed? | IAMJun 26 01:36
activelowcircuit design was something i *was* good at, 18 years ago, and some maths; capital damages since then some dozens of millionsJun 26 01:37
techrights-news#Patent maximalists attacking courts that aren't into the 'religion' of #patent maximalism 26 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court May Be Stuck With Patent Doctrine It Never Developed | National Law JournalJun 26 01:38
schestowitzactivelow: I did some too in collegeJun 26 01:38
schestowitzwhat did you work on?Jun 26 01:38
activelowwith circuit design we were lectured early during the course of telco studiesJun 26 01:39
activelowi had the opportunity to fiddle together some trivial circuit for the Berlin clockJun 26 01:40
activelowthe lecture itself was more challenging than flashing the altera fpga laterJun 26 01:41
activelowschestowitz: with my memories from this i fiddled together some symmetric block cipher few month ago: 26 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - agg1/scram88: scram88 polymorphic scrambler matrix crypto stackJun 26 01:43
schestowitzaltera?Jun 26 01:45
schestowitzare they still doing ok?Jun 26 01:45
schestowitzdefunct 2015: alteraJun 26 01:45
schestowitz 26 01:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Altera - WikipediaJun 26 01:45
activelowacquired by intel, otherwise i don't know what they're doing nowJun 26 01:45
schestowitzI used xilinxJun 26 01:45
schestowitzxilinx is still en route to becoming amd 26 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xilinx - WikipediaJun 26 01:46
schestowitzactivelow: how did you find us online?Jun 26 01:46
schestowitzyou are relatively newJun 26 01:46
activelowschestowitz: i followed some of the drama around freenode, and your website instantly caught me attention when you opposed the gossip related to RMS and similarJun 26 01:47
schestowitzoh, I seeJun 26 01:48
schestowitzseems like you have some valuable insights regarding machinations in germanyJun 26 01:48
XRevan86So that drama was good for something?Jun 26 01:48
schestowitzwe cover lots of corruption in germanyJun 26 01:48
schestowitzXRevan86: that drama is not even over yetJun 26 01:48
schestowitzI have tons of unpublished notesJun 26 01:48
*schestowitz checked text fikeJun 26 01:49
schestowitz*fileJun 26 01:49
XRevan86schestowitz: Feels like there's nothing that can change freenode's fate at this point.Jun 26 01:49
schestowitzalmost 3,000 linesJun 26 01:49
schestowitzXRevan86: I agree, but we can lessen the chaosJun 26 01:49
schestowitzremember we still use freenodeJun 26 01:49
schestowitzin case there's some server maintenance or whatnotJun 26 01:49
XRevan86Those that are left don't care about absolutely anything. They will only leave when they actually notice the already existing information.Jun 26 01:49
XRevan86schestowitz: That's… not a good back-up %)Jun 26 01:50
schestowitzit is a temporary oneJun 26 01:50
schestowitzfor line, one hour...Jun 26 01:50
schestowitz*likeJun 26 01:50
schestowitzeither way, better than spreading to another networkJun 26 01:51
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schestowitz(which is not ours)Jun 26 01:51
XRevan86schestowitz: O.K., there's no real reason to look for a replacement right now.Jun 26 01:51
schestowitzrightJun 26 01:51
schestowitzBTWJun 26 01:51
schestowitzthat LC channel?Jun 26 01:51
XRevan86when freenode actually dies for good, I'll bring this upJun 26 01:51
schestowitzonly two lines of activity yesterdayJun 26 01:51
schestowitzall dayJun 26 01:51
XRevan86schestowitz: Good I guess.Jun 26 01:51
schestowitzand 2 lines of no substance/relevanceJun 26 01:51
schestowitzfreenode will be repurposed, not dieJun 26 01:52
XRevan86it's in purgatory right nowJun 26 01:52
schestowitzit's already dead as per its original purpose and statusJun 26 01:52
XRevan86(I mean the channel, but freenode too)Jun 26 01:52
schestowitzI will start writing about freenode this weekJun 26 01:52
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, it has been repurposed.Jun 26 01:52
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schestowitzbut in a more constructive fashionJun 26 01:52
schestowitzXRevan86: glad we agreeJun 26 01:52
schestowitzand for a different purpose, not "FOSS"Jun 26 01:53
XRevan86I did mention that for sure :)Jun 26 01:53
schestowitz"1 score and a little over 2 years ago, IRC was created by the great and honorable Jarkko Oikarinen. It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture. However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!"Jun 26 01:53
schestowitz 26 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenodeJun 26 01:53
schestowitz"It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture"Jun 26 01:53
schestowitzThat was never an issue for freenodeJun 26 01:53
XRevan86when I linked to the freenode policy change for one thingJun 26 01:53
schestowitzuntil last monthJun 26 01:53
XRevan86rasegan thinks in stamps, clichésJun 26 01:54
schestowitzI might even do an annotated version of the train wreck interviewJun 26 01:54
schestowitzbut that would take time and effortJun 26 01:54
schestowitzwhich I have overnight, I should be good until midday tomorrowJun 26 01:54
schestowitzhas someone already done such a rebuttal?Jun 26 01:55
schestowitzI mean, people did transcribe itJun 26 01:55
schestowitzbut... rebuttal?Jun 26 01:55
XRevan86rasengan is playing victim, and it's such a "cancel culture" thing to do it's ludicrous.Jun 26 01:55
schestowitzat one point we might also want to remark on the LC situation and our 'fake' or 'unauthorised' channelJun 26 01:56
schestowitzthat card worked, XRevan86Jun 26 01:56
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't think it is worth bringing up.Jun 26 01:56
schestowitzuntil a month agoJun 26 01:56
schestowitzit started to get crumpled with those 700 channelsJun 26 01:56
schestowitzthat got 'canceled' for wanting to moveJun 26 01:56
schestowitzXRevan86: rianne_ asked me to at least mentioned that channel, but I said... merely mentioning it would raise awareness and maybe bring enemies of ours to itJun 26 01:57
schestowitzso if it's mentioned, it can be in vague termsJun 26 01:57
XRevan86schestowitz: That channel is a dead place for a reason.Jun 26 01:57
schestowitzbut first, I will write a rebuttal to the "Africa as a country" interviewJun 26 01:57
schestowitzXRevan86: yeah...Jun 26 01:58
XRevan86and saying that Libera did something wrong is just not correctJun 26 01:58
XRevan86that channel exists in its current state not from their actionsJun 26 01:58
schestowitzLee tried to get me to helpJun 26 01:59
schestowitzabout 5 times over the past monthJun 26 01:59
schestowitzbut I pushed backJun 26 01:59
schestowitze.g.:Jun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:37] <rasengan> hope you've been well - is setup if you would like to promote techrights articles.  you just go to #freenode-bbs and use the bot (type 'help' in there).  #freenode-bbs-discussion is where posts will go when they make it to the website (and where people can chat)!Jun 26 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode BBSJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:38] <schestowitz> wow, bbs!Jun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:40] <rasengan> xDJun 26 01:59
XRevan86schestowitz: Yea, he clearly thought ye're an ally.Jun 26 01:59
schestowitzI may participate when the dust settles entirely, seeing that anything perceived as support of freenode can now get you threats of deplatformingJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:42] <rasengan> ah... good point and makes sense. Jun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:53] <schestowitz> It's a sad thing that society has come to this, but we need to combat this trend diplomatically Jun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:55] <rasengan> i agreeJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:56] <rasengan> its pretty sad tbh lolJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:56] <rasengan> we're regressing as a societyJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:56] <rasengan> some kinda lord of the flies thing going on here lolJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[23:59] <schestowitz> techrights wrote about those issues ages agoJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[00:00] <schestowitz> right now it seems like the only 'dirt' they have on us is manufacturedJun 26 01:59
schestowitz[00:01] <rasengan> I agreeJun 26 01:59
XRevan86and even before showing up here he used linksJun 26 01:59
schestowitzlater on phanes tried to contact me several timesJun 26 01:59
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XRevan86schestowitz: I remember, yes.Jun 26 02:00
schestowitzI >could< be an allyJun 26 02:00
schestowitzbut that all changed the moment they took over channelsJun 26 02:00
schestowitzwhich sort of proved the point about them being "hostile"Jun 26 02:00
schestowitzRemember that when I first covered the freenode scandals I was not supportive of themJun 26 02:01
XRevan86I don't like how these conspirology-oriented people keep finding techrightsJun 26 02:01
schestowitzbut I said, let's not rock the boat... many projects just want calmJun 26 02:01
schestowitzXRevan86: "people"Jun 26 02:01
schestowitzwho else?Jun 26 02:01
schestowitzthere are "conspirology-oriented people" everywhere in the worldJun 26 02:02
XRevan86schestowitz: Oh, just some passing through Bill Gates chipisation idea supportersJun 26 02:02
schestowitzwe don't attract them actuallyJun 26 02:02
XRevan86clinged to Bill Gates criticismJun 26 02:02
schestowitzquite the oppositeJun 26 02:02
XRevan86then there was zlaxyJun 26 02:02
schestowitzthat Gates tried to portray his critics as nuts for 2 years if well documentedJun 26 02:02
schestowitzand that helped him delay his demiseJun 26 02:02
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XRevan86that man is very hard to get rid offJun 26 02:03
schestowitzit'll take timeJun 26 02:03
schestowitzWarren B. is the latest to run away from himJun 26 02:03
schestowitzGates Foundation is floundering nowJun 26 02:03
XRevan86I wonder if he's still harassing the FediverseJun 26 02:03
schestowitzthey might have to rename it to salvage itJun 26 02:03
XRevan86schestowitz: I meant zlaxy :)Jun 26 02:03
schestowitzzlaxy, IIRC, was in disaporaJun 26 02:03
schestowitzaccusing people of being NSA assets?Jun 26 02:03
XRevan86schestowitz: And Pleroma and more, yesJun 26 02:03
schestowitzHe also harassed anonymissJun 26 02:04
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, that's the guy.Jun 26 02:04
schestowitzI just learned to ignore himJun 26 02:04
schestowitzthe more you talk back, the more abuse you'll getJun 26 02:04
XRevan86I had the misfortune of being more closely connected with him via XMPPJun 26 02:04
schestowitzbecause he thrives in not being ignoredJun 26 02:04
schestowitzI didn't "attract" himJun 26 02:05
schestowitzhe seems to be pooing over everywhere... wanting a reactionJun 26 02:05
XRevan86I hope I wasn't the one who got his attention to techrightsJun 26 02:05
XRevan86he definitely learnt of the Fediverse from meJun 26 02:05
schestowitzI doubt itJun 26 02:05
schestowitzI noticed him over a year ago in disaporaJun 26 02:05
schestowitztalking nonsense about me Jun 26 02:06
schestowitzby connecting me to anonymissJun 26 02:06
activelowthe fun part about busting some of the symmetric crypto nonsense was i didn't at least intend to do soJun 26 02:06
XRevan86schestowitz: I've known him since 2015-2016Jun 26 02:06
activelowonly intended to practice little programming, and see if something efficient could be had for low power embeddedJun 26 02:07
XRevan86schestowitz: A bit shameful to admit that.Jun 26 02:08
schestowitzcrypto hackers get lots of government abuseJun 26 02:08
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schestowitzin generalJun 26 02:08
schestowitzover a decade ago you could find account of itJun 26 02:08
schestowitzthey would stock, harass and threaten people who work on cryptoJun 26 02:08
schestowitzworrying they might 'export' ciphers that actually workJun 26 02:08
schestowitzapparently those crypto wars go decades backJun 26 02:08
schestowitzand include pgpJun 26 02:09
activelowmy grieve was the inefficiency only, if industry hadn't clusterfucked this i hadn't payed attention at leastJun 26 02:09
schestowitzThere's recognition that if 'the people' get good crypto going, they can gain leverage over governments and corporations, as Wikileaks did for a few yearsJun 26 02:09
XRevan86His worst quality is that he doesn't take "no" for an answer. If he's rejected, he will push even more.Jun 26 02:09
schestowitzyesJun 26 02:09
schestowitzyou cannot convince himJun 26 02:10
schestowitzhe'll become more aggressiveJun 26 02:10
schestowitzI triedJun 26 02:10
XRevan86And then fantasise a narrative that justifies that with the Fifth Column or something.Jun 26 02:10
schestowitzthe one problem doing a rebuttal to this "interview" is the language it involvesJun 26 02:10
schestowitz"L: This l0de radio. The nation’s number one negro"Jun 26 02:10
schestowitzI mean, is it OK to quote that?Jun 26 02:10
XRevan86What does that even mean?Jun 26 02:11
schestowitzhe's not blackJun 26 02:11
schestowitzmaybe a form of trollingJun 26 02:11
XRevan86nor number oneJun 26 02:11
schestowitzcalling oneself an offensive termJun 26 02:11
schestowitzeither way, I suppose that shows what company Lee keeps around...Jun 26 02:11
XRevan86"negro" is technically not offensive, but it's weirdly iffyJun 26 02:11
schestowitzI do want to rebut or remark on some of that BSJun 26 02:11
schestowitznegro just literally means blackJun 26 02:12
schestowitznegros, nigeria...Jun 26 02:12
XRevan86I think it's okay to quote when not supporting his narrative.Jun 26 02:12
schestowitzthere are wines and products called "negro"Jun 26 02:12
XRevan86Jes, ĝi estas korekteJun 26 02:12
schestowitzOK, I'll crack on with itJun 26 02:12
kingoffrancewell,  ""1 score and a little over 2 years ago," a score is 20 years, not 30.  irc was circa 1988 apparently, not 98Jun 26 02:13
XRevan86schestowitz: The Latin word for black is "niger" with the obvious pronunciation.Jun 26 02:15
schestowitzit became an insult because of how it was usedJun 26 02:15
schestowitzand who byJun 26 02:15
schestowitzsome "negros" took control of the word laterJun 26 02:15
schestowitzin "gangsa culture"Jun 26 02:16
XRevan86And then there's MontenegroJun 26 02:16
schestowitzbut in the US I believe it was a derogatory collective term for slavesJun 26 02:16
schestowitzmaybe one day it won't be an insult... decades from nowJun 26 02:16
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schestowitzhi AdmFubarJun 26 02:16
XRevan86which is an Italian name for a Slavic countryJun 26 02:16
AdmFubar 26 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New CPU Baseline for Windows 11 Will Ensure Better ...Jun 26 02:16
AdmFubarhi royJun 26 02:17
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schestowitzVista 11 vapourwareJun 26 02:17
schestowitzeverywhere one looksJun 26 02:17
schestowitzit's deliberateJun 26 02:17
schestowitzMicrosoft spews that everywhereJun 26 02:17
schestowitzlots to distract from this weekJun 26 02:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Such terms get reclaimed all the time, yes.Jun 26 02:17
schestowitzso they googlebomb everything with itJun 26 02:17
AdmFubartime to force that upgrading in the name of security! think of the children!Jun 26 02:17
XRevan86 Serbo-Croatian is on another levelJun 26 02:19
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activelowi don't understand the recent vista drama, systems are loaded with nonsense for decades already, no idea how this could be "improved" upon any furtherJun 26 02:21
kingoffrancecan someone explain better?  re:  i think it is poorly worded, but the later  clarifies his position  (no idea if that is a correct position though).  FWIU, he seems to say: if you have some code that is say "gpl 3 or later" you can "fork" it as "gpl 4".   this would be a fork from what i see -- in the sense of doesnt magically let you Jun 26 02:21
kingoffrancechange other people's terms for other code.   this is irrespective of "copyright holder" from what i see, and i beileve he is saying such a "gpl 3 or later" license allows you to do this.  you just can't force anyone to go along with it, etc. ;   i believe he is saying irrespective of "copyright holder" a license may let you relicense your fork -- you cannot force anyone to go along with you thoughJun 26 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Update to GCC copyright assignment policyJun 26 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Update to GCC copyright assignment policyJun 26 02:21
XRevan86The same word in Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian is pronounced like this: 26 02:21
XRevan86two syllables? how lameJun 26 02:21
AdmFubarit is just marketing nonsense activelowJun 26 02:22
activelowAdmFubar: it is notJun 26 02:23
kingoffrancemaybe it comes down to "gpl 3 or later" for example, are you required to give everyone else the same option, or can you fork into "gpl 4 only"  (make believe example) ?Jun 26 02:23
kingoffrancesomeone who knows better i hope can clarify, i dont want to misquote himJun 26 02:24
XRevan86kingoffrance: Yes, ye can make a derivative that's GPLv4 onlyJun 26 02:24
XRevan86but the original code will still be available as GPLv3+Jun 26 02:24
kingoffranceok, i think that is what he means (poorly phrased) "  You do not have to keep all the previous licenses because the intention of the gpl is to give back to users those rights which copyright would otherwise withold."Jun 26 02:24
XRevan86so if your GPLv4 code is removed, it can be taken as GPLv3Jun 26 02:25
kingoffranceyes, that was my thought of how it workedJun 26 02:25
kingoffranceyupJun 26 02:25
XRevan86it's practical dual-licensingJun 26 02:25
kingoffranceyep, makes senseJun 26 02:25
XRevan86There's GPLv2+ code still around in plentyJun 26 02:26
XRevan86no real need for hypothesising about GPLv4Jun 26 02:26
XRevan86schestowitz: It is curious if freenode still has any donated servers at all.Jun 26 02:29
XRevan86but oh well, it can probably live off rasengan's pocket indefinitelyJun 26 02:29
XRevan86it's not Matrix to eat all the resources and ask for more :)Jun 26 02:30
XRevan86the first to go will be the newly hosted GitLab instance anywayJun 26 02:31
XRevan86schestowitz: It was possibly not the best suggestion actually :DJun 26 02:32
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schestowitz"Jun 26 02:41
schestowitzL: Alright so, Andrew, you have a, uh, sort of a checkered past, from what I’ve heard. And, uh, word on the street is that you are a fan of drug legalization. Is this true or can you not comment, or whatever?Jun 26 02:41
schestowitzR: You know I’m not really like, uh, fan of, uh, you know, I’m not trying to like push something on other people but, you know, people have a choice what they want to put in their body as long as they’re not harming anyone else.Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzL: Alright, I’m with it, I’m with it. Alright, um, but yeah, there have been some pretty legendary court filings, where I believe you were accused of snuffling up a fucking mountain of cocaine and, uh, running a brothel, and other- other pimp type activities. Do you wanna comment on that at all, or were those just unfounded allegations?Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzR: Cartel, brother.Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzL: The cartel? So you were running a cartel essentially?Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzR: Shit.Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzL: That’s pretty fucking wild right there. Not a lot of people will just straight up admit to running a cartel on the radio. You’re a brave man Andrew Lee. Alright…Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzR: Very brave.Jun 26 02:42
schestowitz"Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzf.Jun 26 02:42
schestowitzCrystalMath: that's the part you told me aboutJun 26 02:42
CrystalMathit was a little weird, yesJun 26 02:42
schestowitzR is Andrew LeeJun 26 02:42
CrystalMathbut i'm guessing Andrew Lee was joking about all the things he was accused ofJun 26 02:42
schestowitzmaybe.Jun 26 02:42
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schestowitzI am writing a response to all thatJun 26 02:43
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XRevan86It's a non-answerJun 26 02:43
schestowitzesp. criticising the attacks on christel and othersJun 26 02:43
schestowitzXRevan86: if it is categorically false, there's a way to respond to itJun 26 02:43
schestowitzif it is PARTLY, any response can only do harmJun 26 02:43
XRevan86Not a good tactic as people can still use that against one.Jun 26 02:44
XRevan86schestowitz: I think he's not used to being a public speaker even to the Putin's level.Jun 26 02:44
CrystalMathschestowitz: l0de's question was like: "you were accused of ..." and Andrew Lee responded with "cartel, brother", referring to the *accusation*, not its truthfulnessJun 26 02:44
XRevan86Putin's non-answers are better.Jun 26 02:44
XRevan86Putin would have said: what ye're referring to, what ye just said, I heard many such accusations, I can see there's some honest desire to find the truth in people behind those accusations, but also some twisting the truth as well. Some of those allegations were already proven false and that's my response to that whole debacle.Jun 26 02:47
XRevan86A good non-answer is one that cannot be fully taken as an actual answer but still hard to fully prove as not having an answer in it, at least not in time. No interviewer is going to try to prove a non-answer to be a non-answer for hours on end.Jun 26 02:49
XRevan86if they still try give another non-answer, they'll give up after thatJun 26 02:49
activelowit is very irritating for me, having joined freenode to enlighten the people about my views of quantum physics and Einsteins misconceptions, talk about maths and scienceJun 26 02:51
activelowthen being offended as crackpot, crazy, etc. banned and silencedJun 26 02:51
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activelowin parallel to some prince conducting business with bitcoin and cokeJun 26 02:51
XRevan86activelow: freenode was never a place with a strong physics presence, so I don't know with whom ye were trying to discuss all that.Jun 26 02:52
activelowwrong XRevan86, i do remember at least two participants who are involved with physicsJun 26 02:53
XRevan86oh, two, okayJun 26 02:53
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XRevan86Maybe some quantum computing or cryptography folk are the crowd.Jun 26 02:55
XRevan86although not sure if they're interested in a history lessonJun 26 02:56
activelowin #crypto former freenode was occupied with shitcoins mostly, which is boring to discuss brute forcing some hashesJun 26 02:56
XRevan86they took over that wordJun 26 02:56
activelowi wanted to talk about 128bit general purpose registers in modern CPUsJun 26 02:56
activelowso, if is the old freenode i see little benefit in registering there againJun 26 02:57
XRevan86activelow: It is. The new freenode has way less substance though.Jun 26 02:57
XRevan86so it's not really a comparisonJun 26 02:58
XRevan86> Cryptography theory and practice, not cryptocurrencyJun 26 02:58
XRevan86#crypto at Libera has this in the title.Jun 26 02:58
activelowyou see, my symmetric cipher, my hash design and rng are crapJun 26 02:59
XRevan86while #crypto at freenode appears to be cryptocurrencyJun 26 03:00
XRevan86maybe it wasn't before, but it is nowJun 26 03:00
activelowleave alone some project coordination, at best some sneak on the ideas of others and capitalise upon with little to no ethical doubtsJun 26 03:00
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XRevan86activelow: What's your RNG?Jun 26 03:01
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XRevan86I thought the topic of RNG is pretty much figured out at this point.Jun 26 03:02
activelowthe RNG was the entry point to benchmark achievable maximum I/O throughput with the design i proposedJun 26 03:02
XRevan86AdmFubar: I saw the commit and… how did this person figure out how to use git?Jun 26 03:03
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AdmFubardon't ask me... ask him.. :PJun 26 03:06
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activelowthe design is some trivial linear-feedback-shift-register (LFSR), which 1) must be implemented correctly be it either a stream cipher or block cipher mode and 2) a software implementation can hugely benefit from some alteration to their design rationale, a feedback loop which alters the internal circuitry of the LFSR depending on the initial state of (password) and what the keystream is applied to Jun 26 03:07
activelow(feedback of ciphertext into the LFSR to alter it's internal generator polynome)Jun 26 03:07
schestowitzHe said, "I’m probably like the king of overdrafts."Jun 26 03:07
schestowitzhaJun 26 03:07
techrights-news#Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux #kernel code contributions 26 03:07
schestowitzAdmFubar: free marketing for AMazon/BezosJun 26 03:08
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AdmFubarnot free marketing.. free work....Jun 26 03:08
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XRevan86 how the heck does netsplit sorts the channelsJun 26 03:08
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XRevan86the biggest room is at the end of the second pageJun 26 03:08
activelowand then i applied this design rationale to the hash and the cipher, and 3) re-implemented ECB mode of operation, let's say as secure ECB (sECB) to hash the block keys correctlyJun 26 03:09
schestowitzXRevan86: do you want to proofread me when done?Jun 26 03:09
schestowitzwill be several more minutesJun 26 03:09
XRevan86okayJun 26 03:09
schestowitzthanksJun 26 03:10
activelowthis has huge benefits, it's cryptographically secure because a "known plaintext attack" results in a "non-primitive recursion" which other symmetric ciphers potentially do notJun 26 03:11
activelowmeaning with a known-plaintext attack it is NOT possible to quickly compute the block keysJun 26 03:11
XRevan86activelow: This means nothing to me, sorry.Jun 26 03:11
activelowthe hash by design is 512bit, not feasible to brute forceJun 26 03:11
activelowand best of it: it is extremely fastJun 26 03:11
activelowtypical ciphers process dozens of rounds re-applying their voodoo, my design processes one round only and is done with itJun 26 03:12
XRevan86activelow: If #crypto on Libera (formerly ##crypto on freenode) didn't like it, I have no place to advise.Jun 26 03:12
activelowthis design too busts some bitcoin mythsJun 26 03:13
activelowmaybe then check what #math had to say? not that i practiced alot of math in the last years.Jun 26 03:17
XRevan86##math on Libera, still two hashes.Jun 26 03:19
XRevan86I can see that ##math on freenode is dead even without joining.Jun 26 03:20
activelow#econometrics and #economicsJun 26 03:21
schestowitzOK, finalising..Jun 26 03:21
activelowi was op on ##econometricsJun 26 03:21
activelowpersonally granted by moriartyJun 26 03:21
schestowitzwhat is l0de's real name?Jun 26 03:22
schestowitzI don't want to use nicknamesJun 26 03:22
schestowitzI get the impression he sniffs coke, but he does not say thatJun 26 03:23
schestowitzThis guy is nuts. 26 03:25
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schestowitzLode Ray Dio?Jun 26 03:26
schestowitz 26 03:27
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schestowitzyes, Lode Ray DioJun 26 03:27
XRevan86schestowitz: FAQ called him thatJun 26 03:28
XRevan86schestowitz: But judging by how troll-y he is, I am not confident.Jun 26 03:29
activelow#physics was somehow sad too, since i am totally convinced i had cracked the nut what was wrong with some conceptsJun 26 03:36
activelowwith some cooperation there a mind-blowing paper could have been publishedJun 26 03:37
schestowitzok, ready..Jun 26 03:37
schestowitzXRevan86: 26 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | TechrightsJun 26 03:39
schestowitzfeel free to add thingsJun 26 03:39
schestowitzlike parts of importance that I may have overlookedJun 26 03:39
schestowitzand which stood outJun 26 03:39
XRevan86schestowitz: Ye mention "nation’s number one negro" twice.Jun 26 03:41
schestowitzyesJun 26 03:41
schestowitzin quotesJun 26 03:41
XRevan86I think repetition reduces the impact.Jun 26 03:42
XRevan86schestowitz: Ye could mention that he's a GNAAJun 26 03:42
schestowitzI'vre checked againJun 26 03:42
schestowitzI am OK with itJun 26 03:42
schestowitzI don't want to name GNAAJun 26 03:42
schestowitzbecause most people don't know GNAAJun 26 03:42
schestowitzand don't know what it isJun 26 03:42
schestowitzand I'd rather they did not checkJun 26 03:43
XRevan86or call him a professional troll as the second instanceJun 26 03:43
schestowitzwould rather not namecallJun 26 03:44
schestowitzthey do it to themselvesJun 26 03:44
XRevan86to you it's a bug, to him it's a featureJun 26 03:44
schestowitzwaitJun 26 03:44
schestowitzI will add that to summaryJun 26 03:44
schestowitz"of GNAA infamy"Jun 26 03:44
XRevan86debt is also a "to you it's a bug, to him it's a feature" thingJun 26 03:46
schestowitznot direct quote?Jun 26 03:46
schestowitzI cannot find such a thing in the textJun 26 03:46
XRevan86no, I said it priorJun 26 03:46
XRevan86about the professional troll thingJun 26 03:47
XRevan86and now I apply it to the debt thingJun 26 03:47
schestowitzI see..Jun 26 03:47
XRevan86I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit scoreJun 26 03:47
activelowasked once in #philosophy if free culture and arts crossed the line: 26 03:48
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XRevan86> That’s rather vague, but one can imagine which organisations are alluded to.Jun 26 03:49
XRevan86I don't actually know, although it is either Debian or InspIRCdJun 26 03:49
schestowitz[03:47] <XRevan86> I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit scoreJun 26 03:50
schestowitzI heard that tooJun 26 03:50
schestowitzit's BSJun 26 03:50
schestowitzmaybe lender's BSJun 26 03:50
XRevan86> Alright, so, your big deal here was essentially these freenode fucking pretenders were coming through and acting like they were in charge of, like, these entire organizations, uh, these big projects that, like, some of these open source projectsJun 26 03:50
schestowitzhe told me things about debtJun 26 03:50
schestowitzbut private convosJun 26 03:50
XRevan86Is he talking about the staff or about the channel ops of all those projects that moved to Libera?Jun 26 03:50
schestowitznot clearJun 26 03:51
XRevan86It's ridiculous either way.Jun 26 03:51
schestowitzyesJun 26 03:51
XRevan86that they are in fact in charge is backed up the official website of said projectsJun 26 03:52
XRevan86* backed byJun 26 03:52
schestowitzthey call it 26 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hoist with his own petard - WikipediaJun 26 03:52
XRevan86That rasengan thinks that the ops are no one and have no authority is something that reality has proven wrong.Jun 26 03:53
activelowto summarize #philosophy: yes it does according to them (now LC)Jun 26 03:55
schestowitzXRevan86: thanks for checkingJun 26 03:58
*XRevan86 hasn't finished.Jun 26 03:58
schestowitzI just want to make sure people understand who controls Freenode nowJun 26 03:58
schestowitzXRevan86: will waitJun 26 03:58
XRevan86I do think that meant the "Big FOSS" channel ops and not the literal staff, or an intersection of them.Jun 26 03:59
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schestowitzthat term is misleadingJun 26 04:00
schestowitzin fact, I never heard it beforeJun 26 04:00
XRevan86schestowitz: It is indeed. It just means the projects that left freenode :)Jun 26 04:00
schestowitzI interpret that as people moaning about "liberal| big techJun 26 04:01
schestowitzwhich is itself as a lieJun 26 04:01
schestowitzthose companies are not "liberal"Jun 26 04:01
schestowitzand then projecting that onto free software projectsJun 26 04:01
XRevan86schestowitz: Debian is probably a big part of that.Jun 26 04:02
schestowitzapropos: 26 04:02
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schestowitz 26 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsJun 26 04:02
schestowitzSOme 'liberals'....Jun 26 04:02
XRevan86I like how initially rasengan was saying that he thinks no ill of Libera, and now he says that trash.Jun 26 04:03
schestowitzI can come up with theoriesJun 26 04:04
schestowitzone about emotionJun 26 04:04
schestowitzanother about substanceJun 26 04:04
schestowitznot in the "substance of argument" senseJun 26 04:04
XRevan86one is that on radio he's high and here he was doing "public relations"?Jun 26 04:04
schestowitza lot of the ramblings makes no sense at allJun 26 04:04
schestowitzapparently it's a show that gives a platform to drug addicts and worseJun 26 04:05
schestowitzno idea if he spoke to colleagues before going on that 'showJun 26 04:05
schestowitzor whether he even knew what the show was aboutJun 26 04:05
schestowitzmany such people like to mislead people into coming "on the show"Jun 26 04:05
schestowitzby falsely portraying themselvesJun 26 04:06
schestowitzand this way they gain credibility for themselvesJun 26 04:06
schestowitzat somebody else's expenseJun 26 04:06
schestowitzthey get audience, tooJun 26 04:06
XRevan86The "social organizational debt" bit deserves more attention.Jun 26 04:07
XRevan86> not some phones with nagging notificationsJun 26 04:08
XRevan86One thing is if that at least worked.Jun 26 04:08
CrystalMathschestowitz: btw there's a misattributionJun 26 04:08
CrystalMathin the transcriptJun 26 04:08
techrights-news#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, June 25, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 26 04:08
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CrystalMathwhen libera was mentioned, "what the f*** is what s***" was not said by R but by PJun 26 04:09
schestowitzI saw that partJun 26 04:09
schestowitzah, will correctJun 26 04:09
CrystalMaths/what/that/Jun 26 04:09
schestowitzcorrectedJun 26 04:09
CrystalMathP was presumably not told about the new network at allJun 26 04:09
XRevan86I also like how l0de intentionally uses wording like "Freenode is getting wiped out" many times, and rasengan gladly agrees.Jun 26 04:10
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schestowitzthis interview was never supposed to even happenJun 26 04:11
schestowitzbut I assume it brought out some inner thoughtsJun 26 04:11
schestowitzthe important parts are Lee's wordsJun 26 04:11
XRevan86Indeed soJun 26 04:11
techrights-newsAnnotated Transcript of #AndrewLee ( #Freenode ) Interview With Lode Ray Dio #irc needs to be understood. Its owners too. This is Lee in his own words. Those words have alienated so many.Jun 26 04:11
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XRevan86The only reason to even pay attention to l0de's words is because rasengan didn't mind anything he said.Jun 26 04:12
schestowitznext article: Techrights is NOT on Libera ChatJun 26 04:13
schestowitzXRevan86: numbed I guessJun 26 04:13
schestowitzeither way, that needed to be put somewhereJun 26 04:13
schestowitzthat interviewJun 26 04:13
XRevan86schestowitz: Numbed to the extreme.Jun 26 04:13
schestowitzso I can refer back to it in the futureJun 26 04:14
XRevan86l0de was pushing the limits, and then someJun 26 04:14
schestowitzIf you speak to an a-hole (l0de), you too might seem like oneJun 26 04:14
XRevan86"Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat" – maybe it's better to advertise the self-hosting server rather than antagonise Libera?Jun 26 04:14
XRevan86schestowitz: "seem"Jun 26 04:15
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XRevan86Like "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies"Jun 26 04:16
XRevan86And then "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them"Jun 26 04:17
XRevan86it's not their problem and it's not really a problem, so there's no reason to make a disapproving pointJun 26 04:18
schestowitzit'll mention the real channelJun 26 04:18
schestowitzI will mention what you saidJun 26 04:19
schestowitzstill typing it upJun 26 04:19
schestowitz"Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network" is better?Jun 26 04:19
XRevan86But ye can mention that those who have switched their IRC clients from freenode to Libera may accidentally join the unclaimed channels and so need to correct thatJun 26 04:20
XRevan86schestowitz: Absolutely.Jun 26 04:20
XRevan86but don't use the words like "impersonation", they're unfairJun 26 04:21
activelowactivelow on libera is registered already, it isn't meJun 26 04:21
XRevan86activelow: I meant channels.Jun 26 04:22
XRevan86activelow: nicknames are ripe for the taking on both freenodes.Jun 26 04:22
activelowXRevan86: sorry then for the misunderstandingJun 26 04:22
XRevan86And on the rasengan's freenode it's worse, because there is a stronger expectation of that what existed is still there.Jun 26 04:24
XRevan86At least by those sleeping beauties that still didn't get the memoJun 26 04:24
schestowitzthanks, XRevan86Jun 26 04:26
activelowi don't hold it legitimately either, since on oftc there was another activelow before, who is legitimate there and not me eitherJun 26 04:26
schestowitzI got it drafted nowJun 26 04:26
schestowitzwill take screenshotJun 26 04:26
schestowitzI didn't say impersonationJun 26 04:27
schestowitzit's technically not what happenedJun 26 04:27
schestowitzI exlained why people ended up thereJun 26 04:27
schestowitz"Jun 26 04:27
schestowitzA few days ago I heard that the channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat was misusing our name or misrepresenting us. Rather, a small and vocal minority was making noise. So I decided to lurk/park there for a couple of days, only to observe abuse and off-topic nonsense (<a href="">examples here</a>), including verbal abuse against <em>actual</em> Techrights people.Jun 26 04:27
schestowitzTo clarify, the way IRC works (and has long worked), anybody can create a "techrights" channel on any network (there are hundreds of networks that are well known), but what happened with Libera Chat is, a lot of people reconfigured their IRC clients to connect to Libera Chat instead of Freenode, whereupon their auto-join directive would get them connected to a channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat.Jun 26 04:27
schestowitzBut we're not in Libera Chat. We're not interested in yet another network exercising control over us. Nothing personal against Libera Chat; it's just that it got an influx of users parks in a channel called "techrights" due to a state of flux amid diaspora.Jun 26 04:27
schestowitzIf you are mistakenly parked in "techrights" at Libera Chat, please change the settings to the correct network. The real <code>#techrights</code> channel is at <code></code>, port 6667.Jun 26 04:27
schestowitzAs XRevan86 put it, "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies" and "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them."Jun 26 04:27
schestowitz"Jun 26 04:27
schestowitztypos likely ^^^ please report typosJun 26 04:27
activelowmy account name on freenode is rigged, since this was prone to being stalked uponJun 26 04:28
kingoffrances/influx of users parks/influx of users parked/Jun 26 04:29
schestowitzI see that two more channels was added to this network alreadyJun 26 04:29
schestowitzunknown to meJun 26 04:29
schestowitzbut not off topicJun 26 04:29
XRevan86schestowitz: Also some people joined that other channel during the day when the bridge to there was up. Not sure how they noticed, maybe someone mentioned that elsewhere.Jun 26 04:29
schestowitzmaybeJun 26 04:29
schestowitzthe bridges only lend legitimacy to the wrong channelJun 26 04:30
schestowitzwhich is why better not to have them anynoreJun 26 04:30
schestowitzin past 24 hours only 2 messages thereJun 26 04:30
schestowitzso it is negligible, will perish on its ownJun 26 04:30
XRevan86It was a nice show-case of the possibilities the bridge can give.Jun 26 04:31
XRevan86and I thought it will get registered, but it wasn'tJun 26 04:31
schestowitzbtw, regarding web-based interfaces to our irc networks which are also SELF-HOSTED, I've given up on that for nowJun 26 04:31
schestowitzXRevan86: more networks = more workJun 26 04:32
schestowitzbetter to focus on one placeJun 26 04:32
XRevan86 ?Jun 26 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | gamja: Simple IRC web clientJun 26 04:32
schestowitzthis is new to meJun 26 04:32 suggests it along with KiwiIRCJun 26 04:32
schestowitzlooks like it would want a container of its ownJun 26 04:33
schestowitzas it comes with a large chain of depsJun 26 04:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Using my wording in quotes attributing myself makes me look like a full-on member of techrights.Jun 26 04:33
schestowitzwell, you are trusted for sureJun 26 04:34
schestowitzunlike some people on that other networkJun 26 04:34
XRevan86An affiliate :)Jun 26 04:34
schestowitzthere are people I've known for agesJun 26 04:34
schestowitzlike Ariadne and other adminsJun 26 04:34
schestowitziirc, MinceR has been here since 2008 or 2009Jun 26 04:34
schestowitzgamja is interestingJun 26 04:35
schestowitzbut it's a bit chain of thingsJun 26 04:35
XRevan86"port 6667" – better not to mentionJun 26 04:35
schestowitzlike quakenet thing, which I tried to set up again age, needed the whole of Twisted, iircJun 26 04:35
schestowitzXRevan86: some people asked me to mentionJun 26 04:35
schestowitzbecause they said their client does not have defaultsJun 26 04:36
schestowitzat first I did not mentionJun 26 04:36
XRevan86ircs://irc.techrights.orgt:6697/#techrights how about a URI? :)Jun 26 04:36
schestowitzyes, my distro supports thatJun 26 04:36
XRevan86s/orgt/org/Jun 26 04:36
XRevan86ye can even mention both ircs:// and irc://Jun 26 04:37
XRevan86but clear text communication is really not the way to goJun 26 04:37
schestowitzI thought about thatJun 26 04:38
XRevan86the good thing about a ircs:// URI is that ye don't need to make sure the client is configured for TLS or notJun 26 04:38
schestowitzI never tried ircs urlsJun 26 04:40
schestowitzI know debian would deal with irc:// in kde at leastJun 26 04:40
schestowitzor firefoxJun 26 04:40
XRevan86ye could always mention both, HTML layoyt allows doing that compactlyJun 26 04:40
XRevan86layoutJun 26 04:41
XRevan86I really don't feel like there's something wrong with me right now, but seeing how many typo's I make it obvious I'm mentally exhausted. This kept me up.Jun 26 04:42
schestowitzbtw, ddos attacks have stoppedJun 26 04:43
schestowitzafter 2 daysJun 26 04:43
schestowitzXRevan86: it's IRC, typos welcome :-)Jun 26 04:43
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XRevan86schestowitz: Also, the logo of the l0de's podcast… the same reason why it's good as an illustration is why it's somewhat risky to have it as an illusationJun 26 04:44
XRevan86mildly shocking contentJun 26 04:45
schestowitzXRevan86: i find it out that...Jun 26 04:45
XRevan86not false advertising thoughJun 26 04:45
schestowitzlibera chat would recommend self-hosting irc web interfaceJun 26 04:45
schestowitzbut not the ircdJun 26 04:45
schestowitzwhich kind of seems mootJun 26 04:45
XRevan86schestowitz: Hm?Jun 26 04:46
schestowitzunless they want to lower cpu strainJun 26 04:46
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XRevan86They're hosting GamjaJun 26 04:46
schestowitzthey want people to host itJun 26 04:46
schestowitzbut then connect to LC, I assumeJun 26 04:46
XRevan86schestowitz: Where do ye see this?Jun 26 04:46
schestowitzso they exercise more control at the daemon levelJun 26 04:46
schestowitzwhile the UI layer is paid for by the projectsJun 26 04:46
schestowitzyou said they recommended GamjaJun 26 04:47
XRevan86schestowitz: 26 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | gamja IRC clientJun 26 04:47
schestowitzGamja: [04:32] <XRevan86> suggests it along with KiwiIRCJun 26 04:47
XRevan86 hereJun 26 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kiwi IRCJun 26 04:47
XRevan86this is KiwiIRC, but in the description it suggests GamjaJun 26 04:47
XRevan86so they have bothJun 26 04:48
schestowitzXRevan86: 26 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | TechrightsJun 26 04:48
schestowitzcan you check, please?Jun 26 04:48
XRevan86> A few days agoJun 26 04:48
XRevan86Really? :)Jun 26 04:48
XRevan86schestowitz: The URI keep my ".orgt" typoJun 26 04:49
schestowitzouchJun 26 04:49
schestowitzthe hope is that more projects/sites will followJun 26 04:50
schestowitzand self-hostJun 26 04:50
XRevan86"(default port; port 6667)" – "default clear-text port" thenJun 26 04:50
schestowitzso we can have many thousands of IRC networks out there, widely spreadJun 26 04:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Oh, ye can mention how cool a feature RELAYMSG is :)Jun 26 04:51
schestowitzmaybe a subject for a separate article/videoJun 26 04:52
schestowitztbh, I don't know how it worksJun 26 04:52
schestowitzso cannot say much myselfJun 26 04:52
schestowitzbut maybe, as I alluded to before, you can share your bridge settingsJun 26 04:52
XRevan86schestowitz: An op has an ability to spoof the message sender nick basically.Jun 26 04:52
schestowitzto help other people help themselvesJun 26 04:52
XRevan86but only if that nick has a slash in itJun 26 04:53
XRevan86schestowitz: Different networks have different needs.Jun 26 04:53
activelow+OK ztlsz.npLUL.sEChG0Jfu5U/.0sSQ/Fykxt/1tgbX1YsIwr/c4S2n.nHv9V.jTSlP/6ZEje1WLZac/wsbzH/4VD8i/20msi02ZmMs1EQSCo1o1Ulh.F/pSE1e9lo3.C3MuL/vCO8Z0Z2tGi/dhMvV1mxOfj/MVQlM.VJkVA1Jun 26 04:54
activelowwouldn't take any offense in a temporary +q, once in a while my mind snaps into realms beyond comprehensionJun 26 04:54
schestowitzregarding "few days ago"Jun 26 04:55
schestowitzit's correctJun 26 04:55
schestowitzI knew it existed, but...Jun 26 04:55
schestowitzdidn't think it had any momentum left in itJun 26 04:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Librarian is there since the bridge times (don't know if he was there before it).Jun 26 04:56
XRevan86schestowitz: He is the person I was mentioning as a philosophy professor.Jun 26 04:58
techrights-newsTechrights is NOT on #LiberaChat , Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | TechrightsJun 26 04:58
XRevan86I found that detail cute.Jun 26 04:58
schestowitzhe hates Ariadne a lotJun 26 04:59
Ariadnegood for him, can you stop highlighting meJun 26 04:59
AriadnethxJun 26 04:59
schestowitznp, sorryJun 26 04:59
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XRevan86schestowitz: Because she strongly challenged his pespective?Jun 26 05:00
Ariadnei mean, i did originally, now days i just suggest he consume various poisonous substancesJun 26 05:01
schestowitzsomething like that but anyway, let's change topic, i assume she's busy coding and stuffJun 26 05:01
schestowitzI know the feeling of getting unwanted irc notifications when working on something Jun 26 05:01
XRevan86I keep trying to imagine the kind of philosophy classes he's doing.Jun 26 05:01
schestowitzin a moment we'll post some Daily Links, I want to also write some articles about Free softwareJun 26 05:02
Ariadnewell, really they are white race appreciation classesJun 26 05:02
schestowitzlast weekend was a lost weekend because of the chaos left behind by freenode tuesday onwards (flushed IRC DB)Jun 26 05:02
XRevan86from my experience it's not uncommon for people teaching metaphysics to have a problem with grasping realityJun 26 05:02
Ariadnewhich, fine, but this isn't kkkrightsJun 26 05:02
schestowitzI knowJun 26 05:02
schestowitzit was off topic regardlessJun 26 05:02
schestowitz"Social" is now used moreJun 26 05:02
schestowitzso even DaemonFC doesn't interject here the OT thingsJun 26 05:03
schestowitzXRevan86: maybe you can send more details on how you configured mattermost for relaying across networksJun 26 05:03
XRevan86Like my personal experience with a philosophy class where the professor talked about Putin as salvation of the world Jun 26 05:03
schestowitzsome people would find that info handyJun 26 05:03
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schestowitzand I cannot write that myself, having not practiced it directly, everJun 26 05:04
schestowitzXRevan86: that prof wants to be promotedJun 26 05:04
schestowitznot sentenced to hard labourJun 26 05:04
schestowitzreminds me of what chmomsky said of US "intellectuals"Jun 26 05:04
schestowitzBTW, as I mention ChosmkyJun 26 05:05
schestowitzand also association by people you agree to be interviewed byJun 26 05:05
schestowitzhe was once entrapped by some sex-oriented mag to give an interviewJun 26 05:05
schestowitzmaybe playboyJun 26 05:05
schestowitzwhich then put him in unsavory companyJun 26 05:05
schestowitzand they were not upfront about who that interview was forJun 26 05:06
schestowitzbut I am guessing the interview was for "after the wanking"Jun 26 05:06
schestowitznot a "foreplay"Jun 26 05:06
schestowitzhe spoke about that incident, which reminds me of that awful freenode interviewJun 26 05:06
schestowitzmaybe he was not sure what or who he was talking toJun 26 05:06
*schestowitz plays devil's advocateJun 26 05:07
schestowitzLike I said before, the techrights channel at LC seems to have become an anti-techrights gossip/whisper network. I hardly know these names at all and they're not techrights-connected, just looking to bash the site using a channel called after it, after many hopped from one network to another." Examples are now online in that text fileJun 26 05:07
schestowitzI dont' intend to take over a channel just to kickban peopleJun 26 05:07
schestowitzit would be hugely dumb and short-sightedJun 26 05:08
schestowitzit is what it isJun 26 05:08
schestowitzI didn't choose for a network split that bigJun 26 05:08
schestowitz60k+ usersJun 26 05:08
XRevan86schestowitz: l0de has been involved with freenode prior to that apparently.Jun 26 05:08
schestowitzas staff or user?Jun 26 05:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Someone called him a quasi-staffer.Jun 26 05:08
schestowitzstaff vetting in freenode... don't know what that's likeJun 26 05:08
schestowitzanyone can just offer oneself as volunteerJun 26 05:09
XRevan86it's not hard to imagine someone like l0de getting pretty close to staffJun 26 05:09
schestowitzthe question is, will they accept him/her/them?Jun 26 05:09
XRevan86He knows how to pull the right strings in people like rasenganJun 26 05:09
schestowitzThis coming Friday we have a big hearing in the EPOJun 26 05:10
schestowitzI hope IRC wars won't distract like they did last hearing (may 28th)Jun 26 05:10
schestowitzXRevan86: aka the king of overdraftJun 26 05:11
schestowitzI  love euphemism for debtJun 26 05:11
schestowitz"credit"Jun 26 05:11
schestowitz"overdraft"Jun 26 05:11
XRevan86 26 05:11
XRevan86 26 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matterbridge/matterbridge.toml.sample at master · 42wim/matterbridge · GitHubJun 26 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Section IRC (basic) · 42wim/matterbridge Wiki · GitHubJun 26 05:11
XRevan86The information on how to set up a bridge is there already.Jun 26 05:12
schestowitzI see...Jun 26 05:12
schestowitzwell, we need to get that info 'off' MicrosodtJun 26 05:12
XRevan86matterbridge is only there unfortunately.Jun 26 05:12
schestowitzit's longer than I thoughtJun 26 05:13
XRevan86it's a sample :)Jun 26 05:13
schestowitzit also makes many assumptionsJun 26 05:13
schestowitzabout what one runsJun 26 05:13
XRevan86And it includes not only IRC but IRC is the first section in it conviniently.Jun 26 05:13
XRevan86The techrights configuration is this: 26 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian PastezoneJun 26 05:14
schestowitzI am saving itJun 26 05:16
schestowitzwe need to prepare for the next wave of EPO scandalsJun 26 05:17
schestowitzwe have 6 more days to prepareJun 26 05:17
schestowitzDDOS attacks over after 2 daydJun 26 05:17
schestowitz*daysJun 26 05:17
schestowitzI guess they got tired of getting blocked effectivelyJun 26 05:18
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XRevan86One example of how things can differ is in the wiki as OFTC doesn't yet have SASL support.Jun 26 05:19
schestowitzsomeone mentioned it the other dayJun 26 05:19
schestowitzseems odd a network that size lacks itJun 26 05:19
techrights-newsThe choice of words (and platform) of Andrew Lee seems to have harmed the image of #Freenode ; we examine what was said on the bizarre show of Lode Ray Dio of #GNAA infamy 26 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | TechrightsJun 26 05:20
XRevan86schestowitz: They're using ircd-hybridJun 26 05:21
schestowitzI know it's OTJun 26 05:22
schestowitzbutJun 26 05:23
AdmFubaris that transcript really accurate?Jun 26 05:23
schestowitzwe might stay in lockdown for a whileJun 26 05:23
schestowitzso I can do some projectsJun 26 05:23
schestowitzAdmFubar: afaikJun 26 05:23
XRevan86schestowitz: And as it was mentioned before (the "OFTC takeover" :) ), the goal of OFTC is Solanum.Jun 26 05:23
schestowitzwhy? hard to believe?Jun 26 05:23
DaemonFCI'm hoping the court isn't doing Zoom in September.Jun 26 05:23
schestowitzyou can rejkect itJun 26 05:23
AdmFubarwhat language are they talking in? :PJun 26 05:23
XRevan86AdmFubar: When I was reading it, the voice of Andrew Lee was echoing in my ears.Jun 26 05:23
schestowitztechrights 'lobbies' against courts over the NetJun 26 05:23
XRevan86as I listened to the whole thing beforeJun 26 05:24
DaemonFCI don't like Zoom and every felon out there who says they don't have a job and can't pay their court costs has a $1700 phone in their hand while they're doing so.Jun 26 05:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: 26 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice — Part 15: A Pandora’s Box… But for Whom? | TechrightsJun 26 05:24
DaemonFCIn this case, those two that were in the other car, the passenger turned out to be a convict up in Wisconsin. Felon child abuse, then he only had to do a year and a half, but he ended up doing three for attacking another inmate.Jun 26 05:24
XRevan86schestowitz: So if OFTC succeeds in its plans to upgrade IRCd, they'll get SASL.Jun 26 05:24
AdmFubarwhat a mish-mash of thoughts...Jun 26 05:25
schestowitzlast part of this series, which ties into 26 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | TechrightsJun 26 05:25
AdmFubar 26 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SolarWinds backdoor gang pwned Microsoft support agent to turn sights on customers • The RegisterJun 26 05:25
schestowitzabout 60 parts totalJun 26 05:25
XRevan86AdmFubar: It's like toxic, ye know what I mean?Jun 26 05:25
AdmFubarwhatever they are on is toxic to them...Jun 26 05:26
schestowitzAdmFubar: shittttt...Jun 26 05:26
XRevan86> we used to have a channel, #freenode, on Liberia ChatJun 26 05:26
XRevan86Oh, he actually said that?..Jun 26 05:26
XRevan86because that channel is still thereJun 26 05:27
schestowitzlet me count the "shits" in this transcriptJun 26 05:27
XRevan86schestowitz: Oh, by the way, it's ##freenode, not #freenodeJun 26 05:27
XRevan86don't know if the transcript or rasengan is saying the channel's name wrongJun 26 05:27
schestowitz65 times!Jun 26 05:27
schestowitz65 "shits" in just over an hourJun 26 05:28
schestowitzawwwww, shiiiiit.Jun 26 05:28
AdmFubarI'd say lay off the colace and sennaJun 26 05:28
schestowitzthey must be on some shitJun 26 05:28
schestowitz 26 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Seven dirty words - WikipediaJun 26 05:29
XRevan8665 times, we saw this shit. It had a chicken head with duck feet and a woman's head too…^UJun 26 05:29
AdmFubar 26 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview Forbids Users From Scraping Its Database Of Images It Scraped From Thousands Of Websites | TechdirtJun 26 05:30
schestowitzhopefully they don't scrape off 26 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Roy and Rianne's Wedding and BeyondJun 26 05:31
XRevan86If "Liberia Chat" weren't pussies unlike a strong leader such as rasengan, they would've taken over that ##freenode channel already instead of talking about how inappropriate it is and doing nothing about it :)Jun 26 05:31
schestowitzI had a discussion with Tim over on TechBytes abut itJun 26 05:31
schestowitzobscure sites are less likely to be harvested for profilingJun 26 05:31
schestowitzthey go for the big ones, notably FB and TwitterJun 26 05:31
XRevan86schestowitz: Anything to be done about freenode at ?Jun 26 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Channels | TechrightsJun 26 05:32
schestowitzin what sense?Jun 26 05:32
schestowitzit's fine as it isJun 26 05:32
schestowitzfreenode is listed lastJun 26 05:33
schestowitzsome people are still on itJun 26 05:33
XRevan86schestowitz: "More Open and Bigger" – for one thing, that :)Jun 26 05:33
schestowitzover 50 usersJun 26 05:33
schestowitzit's biggerJun 26 05:33
schestowitzmore online usersJun 26 05:33
schestowitzwe're like an island hereJun 26 05:33
XRevan86it's technically correct, but it's not how I would've described itJun 26 05:33
schestowitzI'll change that laterJun 26 05:34
schestowitzwe're still observing what happens to freel0deJun 26 05:34
schestowitz#freeBritneyJun 26 05:36
AdmFubar 26 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crackonosh: How hackers are using gamers to become crypto-rich - BBC NewsJun 26 05:38
AdmFubar 26 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC NewsJun 26 05:42
CrystalMathschestowitz: also i did sense hate and toxic culture on old freenode, especially from staffers like FuchsJun 26 05:44
XRevan86How to recognise a person by what they wrote.Jun 26 05:44
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CrystalMath> What is “big FOSS”? Is Free software now being painted with the same brush as monopolists?Jun 26 05:46
CrystalMathyou know who these people are! systemd, debian, Red HatJun 26 05:46
CrystalMathwe talk about them here all the timeJun 26 05:46
CrystalMathNovell tooJun 26 05:47
CrystalMaththey're big FOSSJun 26 05:47
activelowthey're big, grantedJun 26 05:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: freedesktop, postgres, devuan, alpine?Jun 26 05:48
AdmFubar 26 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Cyber Sleuths Cracked an ATM Shimmer Gang – Krebs on SecurityJun 26 05:50
schestowitz[05:42] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC NewsJun 26 05:51
schestowitzmy dad jokes last night about Gates ending up the same wayJun 26 05:51
schestowitzmaybe even youngerJun 26 05:51
schestowitz[05:38] <AdmFubar> 26 05:52
schestowitz"hackers"Jun 26 05:52
schestowitz"crypto"Jun 26 05:52
schestowitzcrackers?Jun 26 05:52
AdmFubar 26 05:52
schestowitzbanks?Jun 26 05:52
schestowitzwe put this in yesterday's Daily LinksJun 26 05:52
schestowitzMinceR: 26 05:52
AdmFubar:)Jun 26 05:52
CrystalMathactivelow: they're also *bad*Jun 26 05:52
AdmFubar 26 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Banning Surveillance-Based Advertising - Schneier on SecurityJun 26 05:52
CrystalMathand schestowitz knows they're badJun 26 05:53
CrystalMathgnome is also big fossJun 26 05:53
AdmFubarI'm a bit behind on news... wasn't feel good yeasterdayJun 26 05:53
XRevan86CrystalMath: How about Rocky? MATE? KDE?Jun 26 05:54
CrystalMathschestowitz: also i can't believe that you're going along with limiting speech when it comes to the US elections; virtually every election is called stolen by the losing sideJun 26 05:54
CrystalMathXRevan86: i'd say KDE is big at least, i'd need to know more to see if they're "big FOSS" peopleJun 26 05:54
CrystalMaththe linux foundation is big FOSSJun 26 05:54
CrystalMathXRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organizationJun 26 05:55
CrystalMathand Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the softwareJun 26 05:55
XRevan86CrystalMath: All the aforementioned left freenodeJun 26 05:55
schestowitzLF is not FOSSJun 26 05:56
schestowitzthat's the differenceJun 26 05:56
schestowitzIBM is now FOSSJun 26 05:56
schestowitzMicrosoft is not FOSSJun 26 05:56
schestowitzLF is monopoliesJun 26 05:56
schestowitzLF is NOT on freenodeJun 26 05:56
schestowitzLF is on ZoomJun 26 05:56
schestowitzLF is in Microsoft (GitHub)Jun 26 05:56
XRevan86CrystalMath: The Trump's stolen-elections movement is unprecedented in size and boldness.Jun 26 05:56
schestowitzGitHub is not big fossJun 26 05:57
schestowitzGitHub is "big tech"Jun 26 05:57
CrystalMathXRevan86: so what? if you want to limit actions, limit actions, don't limit speech!Jun 26 05:57
XRevan86Calls for actionsJun 26 05:57
CrystalMaththere was NO call to action in Andrew Lee's talk about the electionJun 26 05:57
schestowitzCrystalMath: people exercise their speechJun 26 05:57
CrystalMathnone whatsoeverJun 26 05:57
CrystalMathhe said karma will get themJun 26 05:57
schestowitzby telling people to get off that networkJun 26 05:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: There was in Trump'sJun 26 05:58
CrystalMathschestowitz: i suppose telling people to buy viagra is also free speech? especially when done in 1,000 emails a dayJun 26 05:58
CrystalMathsaying the election is stolen is free speech, advertizing something to people is spamJun 26 05:59
schestowitzhe can say itJun 26 05:59
schestowitzand I can say what I think of itJun 26 05:59
schestowitza right to speech is not a right to a large audienceJun 26 05:59
schestowitzor to a large businessJun 26 06:00
schestowitzhe talksJun 26 06:00
schestowitzpeople walk awayJun 26 06:00
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XRevan86schestowitz: Careful mentioning anything on freenode, it's spam, don't ye know.Jun 26 06:00
schestowitzpeople telling their own channel they move somewhere else is not spamJun 26 06:00
XRevan86Advertising websites, networks…Jun 26 06:00
XRevan86When one writes a message, in a way one advertises oneself.Jun 26 06:01
CrystalMathschestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it?Jun 26 06:01
CrystalMathlike there's an #fsf on EFNetJun 26 06:01
schestowitzwe'll always have the memories of a channel with 95 users in it, at peak...Jun 26 06:01
CrystalMaththere's #slackware on undernet and it's very bigJun 26 06:01
CrystalMathwell okay all the slackware channels are unofficial thoughJun 26 06:02
XRevan86CrystalMath: There's such a concept as an official channel. Freenode had this privilege.Jun 26 06:02
CrystalMathXRevan86: i guess that stuff is gone from the policy now, yeahJun 26 06:03
CrystalMaththere's no more reserved namespaceJun 26 06:03
XRevan86Turns out, some projects rely on IRC for communication. They are the Big FOSS.Jun 26 06:03
CrystalMathhmm, just thought of an example, Mozilla is big FOSSJun 26 06:04
XRevan86And they're interested in maintaining the status quo that worked for them for years.Jun 26 06:04
XRevan86And the way to do that is to move to Libera and notify everyone on freenode of that.Jun 26 06:05
CrystalMaththe status quo that worked for them was: people connect, join a project channel, work with them, write code, be bored one day, type /list, find some general channels, mention you're not a communist, get K-linedJun 26 06:05
CrystalMaththat was the old freenodeJun 26 06:06
CrystalMathscrew that status quoJun 26 06:06
kingoffrancethe new one is autonomous zoneJun 26 06:06
kingoffrancedoes it really matter?Jun 26 06:06
XRevan86An autonomous zone that relies on the US based commercial company.Jun 26 06:07
CrystalMathUKJun 26 06:07
XRevan86CrystalMath: I meant Shells™ but sureJun 26 06:08
XRevan86An autonomous zone can be so outside of any country's jurisdiction that it's in two countries :)Jun 26 06:09
kingoffrancei just mean, this is all politics, i dont see anyone changing their mind, what does it matter what people claim?Jun 26 06:10
XRevan86"I use Arch, BTW", "I'm a vegan", now CrystalMath has a new addition: "I'm not a communist".Jun 26 06:12
CrystalMatha minority uses arch, a minority is vegan, but most people are not communists :)Jun 26 06:13
XRevan86CrystalMath: Depends how ye define it. Some may draw the line on not being a libertarian, and most people are not libertarian.Jun 26 06:15
kingoffrance^ yes its just ever-shifting political bsJun 26 06:15
kingoffrancei dont know why ppl take any of it seriouslyJun 26 06:15
CrystalMathXRevan86: eh, the world isn't just libertarians and communistsJun 26 06:16
CrystalMaththere's also people who have moderate ideologiesJun 26 06:16
XRevan86CrystalMath: I thought for a moment that maybe ye understand that the one dimensional view on political ideology is overly simplistic, but I was wrong.Jun 26 06:17
CrystalMathi don't like the 1D viewJun 26 06:17
CrystalMathi like the 2D view, but maybe that's not too adequate eitherJun 26 06:18
schestowitz[06:01] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it?Jun 26 06:18
schestowitzit's different if you kick everyone outJun 26 06:18
schestowitzand make it invite-onlyJun 26 06:18
schestowitzthat's not what 700 channels didJun 26 06:18
XRevan86schestowitz: freenode wanted to takeover the no longer official channels, quietly repurpose them as unofficial channels and make it look like that was always the case.Jun 26 06:19
schestowitzwowJun 26 06:20
schestowitzso they were "stealing that shit"Jun 26 06:20
XRevan86Completely disregarding that this is not what the people came there came there for.Jun 26 06:20
CrystalMathXRevan86: they can clearly read, if they're on IRCJun 26 06:21
XRevan86CrystalMath: Read what? The wiped out topic?Jun 26 06:22
CrystalMathit says "unofficial"Jun 26 06:22
XRevan86CrystalMath: How is that a contradiction?Jun 26 06:22
CrystalMathif unofficial is not what they came there for, then they'll leaveJun 26 06:23
CrystalMathbut if it IS, then they'll stayJun 26 06:23
CrystalMathand for many there isJun 26 06:23
*activelow departs into dreamlandJun 26 06:23
CrystalMathlike they have a lot of reasons to be on a freenode channelJun 26 06:23
XRevan86CrystalMath: Such as?Jun 26 06:24
CrystalMathwell it's a network with much more permissive rulesJun 26 06:24
XRevan86Being away from the Big FOSS project that channel is about?Jun 26 06:24
CrystalMatha better place to be, for that reason aloneJun 26 06:24
XRevan86Ah, so to shit on it?Jun 26 06:24
CrystalMathnoJun 26 06:24
CrystalMathi mean like.. there are *MANY* people in FOSS that are right-wing, and now they finally have a place for their projects, and to talk about their favorite projectsJun 26 06:25
CrystalMaththey can help each otherJun 26 06:25
XRevan86Technical help is not something anyone values on IRC, sure.Jun 26 06:25
CrystalMathi don't see why that's true, i meanJun 26 06:25
CrystalMathi still get help on freenodeJun 26 06:25
CrystalMathi still get help on *EFNet*Jun 26 06:25
CrystalMathon rizon evenJun 26 06:25
XRevan86CrystalMath: They can exchange quips about just how much they're not communist to each other.Jun 26 06:26
schestowitzsupport channels are differentJun 26 06:26
schestowitzthey don't represent policies and stancesJun 26 06:26
CrystalMaththe right-wing and moderate people of the FOSS movement are in fact quite capable of supporting each otherJun 26 06:26
XRevan86- Does postgres support clustered index?Jun 26 06:27
XRevan86- Is that a Marxist term?Jun 26 06:27
CrystalMathlol, but like, you really think we're the obsessed ones?Jun 26 06:27
XRevan86CrystalMath: yes.Jun 26 06:27
CrystalMathlike we didn't do anything... they attacked first, when they cancelled StallmanJun 26 06:28
schestowitza lot of technical issues need not be partisanJun 26 06:28
schestowitzthose who make them partisan make them less stableJun 26 06:28
schestowitzalongside other linesJun 26 06:28
XRevan86Это не мы такие, это жизнь такая.Jun 26 06:28
schestowitzpatents are also not a left/right wing thingJun 26 06:28
schestowitznot in western contexts anywayJun 26 06:28
schestowitzpirate party is an exception to all thatJun 26 06:29
schestowitzto give an example:Jun 26 06:29
schestowitz"But either way, I feel that it is inappropriate for both myself and the techrights community for me to continue providing the xxxxx.  I do not agree with the current techrights community on a number of issues, and they likewise do not agree with me.  This is the unfortunate result of how the techrights community have evolved over the past year (largely skewing to the right). Given that, I feel it is best for everyone if I not be involved.  I am Jun 26 06:29
schestowitzwilling to listen to counter-arguments, of course, but do you think it is really good to have a xxxxx you're arguing with a lot?"Jun 26 06:29
schestowitzsome people threaten to leaveJun 26 06:29
schestowitznot over technical substance Jun 26 06:29
schestowitzor patent policy etc.Jun 26 06:29
schestowitzbut over whose party is supportedJun 26 06:30
CrystalMathschestowitz: that is correct but when your only support channel is on a network where one cannot be right-wing, well that's a partisan choiceJun 26 06:30
schestowitzand that wasn't the case decades agoJun 26 06:30
CrystalMathon freenode you can be left-wing or right-wing, you can be whateverJun 26 06:30
schestowitzyou could debate technical matters with a "conservative" or "democrat"Jun 26 06:30
CrystalMaththere's no rule against any politics, no censorshipJun 26 06:30
CrystalMaththat's why freenode is my choiceJun 26 06:30
schestowitznoJun 26 06:30
schestowitzfreenode made its stance knownJun 26 06:30
schestowitzit's just another "wing"Jun 26 06:30
CrystalMathif some group (like the communists) reject this, well it's their own intolerance that causes them to leaveJun 26 06:31
schestowitzand the views supported by Andrew et alJun 26 06:31
CrystalMathschestowitz: but that wing is the wing saying everything is allowedJun 26 06:31
schestowitzso the solution is to not be controlled by a network he net-nanniesJun 26 06:31
schestowitzGAB said the sameJun 26 06:31
schestowitzbut it started banning leftistsJun 26 06:31
schestowitz 26 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. It’s a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.Jun 26 06:32
CrystalMathokay like, how about another network run by Andrew Lee - did snoonet ban leftists?Jun 26 06:32
CrystalMathhow about another network with freenode's current set of policies - did rizon ban leftists?Jun 26 06:32
schestowitz 26 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Gab Isn’t “Free Speech” But a “Safe Space” for Bigots That Censors Innocent Accounts Without Warning and Without Explanation for the CensorshipJun 26 06:32
CrystalMathrizon and snoonet both stand allowing allJun 26 06:32
CrystalMathi can't find a single instance of rizon banning a leftist, or a rightistJun 26 06:33
CrystalMathfor opinions anywayJun 26 06:33
CrystalMathi mean i'm sure some got banne for DDoS or illegal stuffJun 26 06:33
CrystalMath*bannedJun 26 06:33
CrystalMathbut every opinion is allowedJun 26 06:34
techrights-newsG 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy #epo #corruption #europe #patents #germanyJun 26 06:34
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techrights-news#Vista11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Windows 11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:35
CrystalMathschestowitz: tbh i think freenode and rizon can truly live up to their promise of being a true free speech zoneJun 26 06:35
CrystalMathrizon already hasJun 26 06:35
XRevan86CrystalMath: We have seen a lot of people banned on freenode for being "toxic".Jun 26 06:36
schestowitzno, freenode already discredited such a promiseJun 26 06:36
schestowitzit banned many peopleJun 26 06:36
schestowitzand andrew himself boasted about itJun 26 06:36
schestowitzin that interviewJun 26 06:36
schestowitzso it's bipolar, sort of...Jun 26 06:36
schestowitzI'm pro-free speech, but...Jun 26 06:36
schestowitzand who knows, I might even be nextJun 26 06:36
schestowitzmaybe posting the text of what he said publicly is "toxic"Jun 26 06:37
schestowitzmore toxic than being on a show hosted by a total l00n, l0deJun 26 06:37
schestowitzwho spells his name with zeroesJun 26 06:37
schestowitzhis face reminds me of the song "American Idiot"Jun 26 06:38
XRevan86sch3st0w1tzJun 26 06:38
schestowitzyo yo yoJun 26 06:38
schestowitzshit going down ma manJun 26 06:38
schestowitzbblJun 26 06:38
schestowitzbreakfastJun 26 06:38
XRevan86break fast, release oftenJun 26 06:39
CrystalMathXRevan86: like i haven't seen anyone banned who wasn't being outrageously spammingly insulting all day on #freenodeJun 26 06:39
CrystalMathand i've seen some who are like that and still there, just weren't bad enough to be bannedJun 26 06:39
XRevan86CrystalMath: It takes a lot less than that.Jun 26 06:40
CrystalMathXRevan86: i was an op there and i was told to let as much slide as possible, while making sure the channel is still usableJun 26 06:40
CrystalMathi mean like 99% of the bans and klines were like, bots, or people that just wrote the same thing over and overJun 26 06:41
XRevan86CrystalMath: On the old freenode #freenode bans were local.Jun 26 06:41
CrystalMathuntil problems spread to other channelsJun 26 06:41
CrystalMathand they do...Jun 26 06:41
CrystalMathi see bot spam on #freenode, seconds later, i see it on #fsf tooJun 26 06:41
XRevan86Someone asks about the purchase amount? Better k-line them.Jun 26 06:42
CrystalMathi've seem many such questions go unpunishedJun 26 06:42
CrystalMaththough also unanswered as he said he can't say itJun 26 06:42
CrystalMathwhat's the point of asking over and over and over and over and over...Jun 26 06:43
phobos/fnAsk who hosts the site and get threatened with a k-lineJun 26 06:43
CrystalMatheven l0de asked itJun 26 06:43
CrystalMathphobos/fn: who hosts the freenode website?Jun 26 06:43
phobos/fnBeats meJun 26 06:44
phobos/fncould never find outJun 26 06:44
phobos/fnwas threatened with a k-line when asking one of the new staffersJun 26 06:44
CrystalMathwhich one?Jun 26 06:44
phobos/fnthose in the know from the old staff won't talk about itJun 26 06:44
phobos/fnEskimoJun 26 06:44
CrystalMatheskimo gets angry easily :PJun 26 06:44
CrystalMathso did tau (who left)Jun 26 06:45
CrystalMaththey're probably asked this 1,000 times a dayJun 26 06:45
CrystalMathand they're at wits end because of itJun 26 06:45
CrystalMathi mean, eskimo gets harassed on social mediaJun 26 06:45
CrystalMathhe's dealing with a lotJun 26 06:45
phobos/fnThis was back when they first took overJun 26 06:45
phobos/fnso they shouldn't have been asked much about it back thenJun 26 06:45
CrystalMatheskimo was being harassed on social media from day one and i doubt he knew immediately who hosts the websiteJun 26 06:46
jobSince the other official techrights channel is busy talking about freenode, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this idea I have: gemini:// 26 06:46
CrystalMathtbh the only one who ever deals with that is the infra teamJun 26 06:46
jobI have been thinking about it for like a week now.Jun 26 06:46
phobos/fnYeah... the old staff which should have been in the know won't talk about who was hosting itJun 26 06:46
CrystalMathi don't know if they knew, unless you ask the ones that were infra peopleJun 26 06:47
CrystalMathtomaw maybeJun 26 06:47
jobTLDR: Only IRCops can create # channels, make & channels great again, no services at the network-levelJun 26 06:47
phobos/fnEven those I was friends with wouldn't discuss itJun 26 06:47
CrystalMathit's quite possible that they just don't knowJun 26 06:47
kingoffrancesure, then they cant guarantee anything about "speech"Jun 26 06:48
phobos/fnNot when they are flat telling you that they won't answer that questionJun 26 06:48
phobos/fnI'm guessing there is some kind of NDA or whatnotJun 26 06:48
CrystalMaththe contract includes no NDAJun 26 06:48
XRevan86phobos: Maybe they don't want to go over the heads of the new staff.Jun 26 06:48
CrystalMathi've read it completelyJun 26 06:48
job(It's ironic I'm talking about decentralizing and federating IRC in a centralized network, I know)Jun 26 06:49
phobos/fnOr maybe its hosted on MS servers ;)Jun 26 06:49
phobos/fngood a explanation as any at this pointJun 26 06:49 is hosted on E ShellsJun 26 06:49
XRevan86Nah.Jun 26 06:49
phobos/fngiven that they've kept it hidden behind clownfareJun 26 06:49
mjg59Which is the trade name for shells.comJun 26 06:50
psydroid> XRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organizationJun 26 06:50
psydroid> and Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the softwareJun 26 06:50
psydroidI hold the same view. If forking had been more encouraged from the very beginning  these organizations would never have had the kind of power over the software that forms a critical part of our infrastructure.Jun 26 06:50
mjg59That took about 30 secondsJun 26 06:50
CrystalMaththank you psydroidJun 26 06:50
jobSeems to be a missed opportunity to name it "SeaShells" instead :PJun 26 06:50
CrystalMathi know that you are also against big foss / the big tech that abuses "open source"Jun 26 06:50
psydroidThey would have had their own versions of things, good luck to them and good riddance to us. People themselves have enabled these big companies that hold disproportione power over them.Jun 26 06:51
CrystalMathexactly, like, "oh let's not split efforts"Jun 26 06:51
psydroiddisproportionate*Jun 26 06:51
XRevan86Writing code is bloody not easy.Jun 26 06:51
CrystalMathi mean... you'll either split efforts or enlarge some bozos that think they own free softwareJun 26 06:51
CrystalMathand then boss people around like Lennart PoetteringJun 26 06:52
CrystalMath"hey gentoo, this is a warning to you!"Jun 26 06:52
phobos/fn*cough* MS *cough*Jun 26 06:52
XRevan86Finding people, maintaining a team – also not a peace of cake.Jun 26 06:52
kingoffranceyes, but autonomous zone means you are off in no man's land . there is no free software in an autonomous zoneJun 26 06:52
CrystalMathkingoffrance: what? :PJun 26 06:52
kingoffrancewhat country is that? what court?Jun 26 06:52
kingoffrancethe court of the cartelJun 26 06:52
kingoffrancei agree with all that re: organizations, but i dont see this changing anythingJun 26 06:53
XRevan86freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction.Jun 26 06:54
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kingoffrancedont disagree.  and it is not a real issue now perhapsJun 26 06:55
XRevan86free software is a copyright waiver, without a jurisdiction there's no copyright, and that's like public domain.Jun 26 06:55
kingoffrancesureJun 26 06:55
kingoffranceand i think big foss will love thatJun 26 06:56
XRevan86copyleft won't work without copyright, but the source code under public domain is also free softwareJun 26 06:56
kingoffrancefair, im just not sure many people wnat to go thereJun 26 06:56
kingoffranceif it ever gets to thatJun 26 06:56
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XRevan86kingoffrance: Ye are confusing reality and rasengan's fantasies.Jun 26 06:57
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kingoffrancei think its all marketing to be sure, yesJun 26 06:58
kingoffranceand "speech" is not gonna work out how they claim eitherJun 26 06:58
kingoffrance"freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction."Jun 26 06:58
XRevan86It would've been if a layman could actually understand what that means.Jun 26 06:58
kingoffrancelol Jun 26 06:58
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techrights-newsTeam #Campinos is sinking in a sea of scandals; it won’t be long before the public finds out, even if much of the media is deeply compromised (on the receiving end of #EPO threats and/or bribes) • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #Europe #corruption | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 07:05
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kingoffranceif someone wants to go full darknet i would be curious what comes of it, but fbi isnt gonna care, guilt by association, for using "military grade" crypto Jun 26 07:08
kingoffranceand how much big foss would love to paint everyone as outlaws etc.Jun 26 07:09
kingoffrancei am not saying that is intent, but its gonna get spun that wayJun 26 07:09
kingoffrancebad optics if nothing elseJun 26 07:09
AdmFubarnight all..Jun 26 07:17
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kingoffrancebesides he implied he had a treaty with the "us"Jun 26 07:26
kingoffrancedid "the us" magically grant him a copyright-free zone?Jun 26 07:27
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schestowitzI've just done a 20-min video about this IRC thingJun 26 07:34
schestowitzhopefully last such videoJun 26 07:34
schestowitzwe need to focus on Free software, swpats and monopoliesJun 26 07:35
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techrights-news"they're not even pretending any more",-and-worse,-and-worse....:4 "every single company is doing this"Jun 26 08:11
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techrights-newsHow I helped my mom switch from Windows to Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 09:33
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x7upLimeHi everybody, just discovered Jun 26 11:54
x7upLimeI'm watching a video from Dr. Schestowitz, and for the first time hearing about a lot of reprehensible stuff IBM has done 0.0Jun 26 11:56
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mib_i3nb20can someone link me to the l0de radio hour?Jun 26 12:34
mib_i3nb20i want to watch that interview, that guy sounds hilariousJun 26 12:35
gustafsearch for LRH on Youtube...Jun 26 12:36
mib_i3nb20ah got it thanksJun 26 12:40
mib_i3nb20lol this l0de guy is quite the comedian, didnt even know there was an irc show. thanks again!Jun 26 12:46
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techrights-news𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 25, 2021 • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 13:02
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techrights-newsThe European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini #epo #corruption #europe #geminiprotocol #techrightsJun 26 13:24
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techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 14:00
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Internet #monopolies ☞ Congressman Throws The World's Worst Slumber Party In Order To Destroy The Internet forgot #microsoft h Working for Microsoft? 26 14:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | TechrightsJun 26 14:05
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l0deYes hello, l0de hereJun 26 14:07
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Triller Sues Scam Streaming Site #AccessTVPro For Jake Paul Fight Piracy 26 14:07
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l0deCan I make some corrections to this article:Jun 26 14:07
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Steinberg Wins #WIPO Domain Dispute Against 'VST' Plugin Pirate Sites 26 14:07
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l0de1. The term is juped, not duped. 26 14:08
l0de2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewersJun 26 14:08
Guest90Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use). This channel is just an anti-Techrights cesspool, hijacked by enemies of Techrights. 26 14:08
l0de\ readersJun 26 14:08
l0delol hopefully this will relay, I don't want to join another networkJun 26 14:09
l0desomeone pass that info to this dude, ty, penis pumpJun 26 14:09
Guest90you can also post the same in Freenode:#techrightsJun 26 14:10
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L0j1kalohaJun 26 14:10
L0j1knice articelJun 26 14:10
Guest90that would msg-relay to (back and forth)Jun 26 14:10
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Guest90but keep language clean plsJun 26 14:11
L0j1ki only have clean languageJun 26 14:11
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Federal Judge Says #FBI Obtained #Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally 26 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal Judge Says FBI Obtained Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally | TechdirtJun 26 14:12
l0delastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it. Jun 26 14:14
schestowitzhi l0deJun 26 14:14
l0de/fn9:06 AM <l0de> Yes hello, l0de hereJun 26 14:15
l0de/fn9:07 AM <l0de> Can I make some corrections to this article:Jun 26 14:15
l0de/fn9:08 AM <l0de> 1. The term is juped, not duped. 26 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Juped - HackepediaJun 26 14:15
l0de/fn9:08 AM <l0de> 2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewersJun 26 14:15
l0de/fn9:14 AM <l0de> lastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it.Jun 26 14:15
l0de/fnI believe the original author of the transcription is WodencafeJun 26 14:15
schestowitzI didn't see the attribute, will correct and addJun 26 14:15
l0de/fndanke sehrJun 26 14:15
schestowitzXRevan86: I think the bridge now omits techrights-news in freenode side, so that only shows TechrightsBot-trJun 26 14:16
schestowitzI see "duped" twiceJun 26 14:17
schestowitzboth are to be changed?Jun 26 14:18
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schestowitzweird, XRevan86, I've just checked and only about an hour ago it stopped relaying techrights-news Jun 26 14:26
MinceR26 065233 <~schestowitz> MinceR: 26 14:31
MinceR:)Jun 26 14:31
MinceR26 064716 < CrystalMath> they're big FOSSJun 26 14:32
schestowitzis there such a parallel in absurdistan?Jun 26 14:32
MinceRhow do we know Andrew is referring to the same entities as us?Jun 26 14:32
MinceRschestowitz: not sure what parallel you meanJun 26 14:33
schestowitzXRevan86: I got it all sorted, the bridge lost op when one of my machine LITERALLY fellJun 26 14:34
schestowitzMinceR: like orban controlling judgesJun 26 14:34
schestowitzfrom the shadowsJun 26 14:34
schestowitzesp. those who decided on legality of his policyJun 26 14:35
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Top #EU Court Rules Online Platforms Are Not Liable For Copyright Infringements Of User Uploads, Unless They Actively Intervene 26 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top EU Court Rules Online Platforms Are Not Liable For Copyright Infringements Of User Uploads, Unless They Actively Intervene | TechdirtJun 26 14:37
MinceRschestowitz: not sureJun 26 14:40
MinceRthere are many judges that are loyal to himJun 26 14:40
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Nintendo Continues To Make It Hard To Play Classic Games Legitimately 26 14:40
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MinceRand the attorney general, who is a close friend of orban, can pick the court for any caseJun 26 14:41
MinceRalso, the organization that oversees the judges is controlled by fidSSJun 26 14:41
MrMalcontentlol even l0de expected Techrights to have migrated to Libera Jun 26 14:42
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ #DomesticWorkers Are Using the #GigEconomy [sic] Against Itself 26 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Domestic Workers Are Using the Gig Economy Against Itself | The NationJun 26 14:50
schestowitzMinceR: thanks for explainingJun 26 14:51
schestowitzit might be coming handy soonJun 26 14:51
schestowitzWhen Fixor (Fixer/Ficsor) tries to 'fix' the hearingJun 26 14:51
schestowitzI doubt he likes OrbanJun 26 14:51
schestowitzbut that's what would make it burn even more... comparing him to the person we're meant to think he's UNlikeJun 26 14:52
l0deno, it was just the easiest thing for me to message onJun 26 14:52
l0desince the freenode BNC is trashJun 26 14:52
schestowitzif you can give me the name of that AG or some article (language does not matter), it can helpJun 26 14:52
schestowitzwe can even do game of words with namesJun 26 14:52
DaemonFCMinceR, I've gone over a list of questions I might ask to the police in court.Jun 26 14:57
techrights-newsGemini Database of Places and Restaurants #geminiprotocol #geminispace #smallInternet #Internet #freeswJun 26 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and RestaurantsJun 26 14:57
DaemonFC"If this was a speeding case, you would have directly witnessed it and you would have used a device that is calibrated and scientifically proven to register a reading, correct?"Jun 26 14:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: are you cross-examining the cops?Jun 26 14:57
schestowitzI think you misunderstand the processJun 26 14:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: tell them their tech was proprietaryJun 26 14:58
schestowitzand thus the evidence invalidJun 26 14:58
schestowitzseems like a tactic in recent yearsJun 26 14:58
DaemonFCI'd continue by asking them if they have such a method of observing the incident from a mile away at a police station, considering that the CIA failed to spy on the Russians in the 1970s using psychic readings in Project Stargate.Jun 26 14:59
schestowitzDNA testing, blood stain analysis, tooth print etc.Jun 26 14:59
schestowitzand polygraph and profiling softwareJun 26 14:59
DaemonFCWell, I have the right to. In fact, I hired an attorney so it probably won't get to that point.Jun 26 14:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: eyewitnesses are also a weak form of evidenceJun 26 15:00
schestowitzunlike cctcJun 26 15:00
schestowitzthey can be bribedJun 26 15:00
schestowitz*cctvJun 26 15:00
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schestowitzdoctorting footage is harderJun 26 15:00
DaemonFCThere was no CCTV and the only other witnesses are the people in the other car, who have threatened to sue and obviously didn't want the police to pin this on them.Jun 26 15:00
DaemonFCSo they have every reason to lie.Jun 26 15:00
schestowitzyou could spare all this trouble by temporarily halt driving, as I did...Jun 26 15:01
schestowitzI told you all this car ownership thing is a huge waste of timeJun 26 15:01
schestowitzif you were in a taxi, someone else's problemJun 26 15:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, If this does go south in court, I might give the car back to mom and get around with the bus.Jun 26 15:02
schestowitz"c ya later skata"Jun 26 15:02
DaemonFCIn three years the accident falls off so they'd never get to charge me higher insurance.Jun 26 15:02
schestowitzSeinfeld: "good luck with aaaaaaaaaaallll thaaaat"Jun 26 15:02
schestowitzthat's why you hire an attorneyJun 26 15:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's pretty much what I did after an accident doubled my rates in 2015, except I didn't give up driving entirely.Jun 26 15:03
schestowitzbecause you want to pass that on to someone elseJun 26 15:03
schestowitzso why not do the same with getting around?Jun 26 15:03
DaemonFCI switched to per-mile car insurance and then I had the best of both worlds.Jun 26 15:03
schestowitztaxi is cheaper than an attorney, even if metered for an hourJun 26 15:03
schestowitzhour-long taxi about 30 poundsJun 26 15:03
DaemonFCI could still get around in the car, _if I had to_, but it didn't cost much because I usually skipped it and took the bus.Jun 26 15:03
schestowitzlawyers up to 300/hourJun 26 15:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, I paid mine $400 yesterday.Jun 26 15:04
DaemonFCThat's flat fee including a bench trial.Jun 26 15:04
schestowitzthat's 20 taxi tripsJun 26 15:04
schestowitzlong ones, tooJun 26 15:04
schestowitzlast week we took a taxi to a suburbJun 26 15:04
MinceRschestowitz: the attorney general is called peter poltJun 26 15:04
schestowitzcost 20 pounds including the tip we gaveJun 26 15:04
schestowitzand we got to the countrysideJun 26 15:04
DaemonFCschestowitz, If I can get him to defeat this entirely, not only do Beavis and Butthead have nothing in civil court later, but my rates don't go up.Jun 26 15:04
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DaemonFCschestowitz, There's Metromile.Jun 26 15:05
schestowitzMinceR: thanksJun 26 15:06
DaemonFCI mean, like, worst case I pay them like $30-35 a month and that gets me insurance for enough miles to get to Walmart and back every day that month.Jun 26 15:06
DaemonFCThat's with an accident _and_ a ticket.Jun 26 15:06
DaemonFCStart using the bus to go around to other places.Jun 26 15:06
MinceRnpJun 26 15:06
schestowitzéter_PoltJun 26 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Péter Polt - WikipediaJun 26 15:06
DaemonFCEventually the accident falls off and the ripoff artists at the other insurance companies never got to charge me $130 a month.Jun 26 15:06
schestowitz"Polt joined Fidesz in 1993. He was a parliamentary candidate during the 1994 general election but did not secure a mandate."Jun 26 15:07
DaemonFCButthead, the one that went oh my god my back.....Jun 26 15:07
DaemonFCI mean, there's plenty of attorneys in Illinois that hand their clients all sorts of ridiculous medical-looking shit and they hobble into court.Jun 26 15:08
DaemonFCCommit fraud against insurance, and then hobble back out.Jun 26 15:08
l0de/fnboth instances of 'duped' are the word juped.Jun 26 15:08
DaemonFCI do not like lawyers.Jun 26 15:09
XRevan86schestowitz: Hm? What is it about the bridge not relaying techrights-news?Jun 26 15:09
schestowitz"the Fidesz supermajority"Jun 26 15:09
schestowitzwhat is their majority, MinceR?Jun 26 15:09
DaemonFCThey have attorneys on TV all the time advertising to parasites about how they can get a job for one day and say they got a back ache and then shopping bags appear in their hands on the commercial.Jun 26 15:09
schestowitzXRevan86: it's OK nowJun 26 15:09
XRevan86l0de: hi, I'm curious: what's your opinion of rasengan?Jun 26 15:10
schestowitzthe bridge got de-oped or somethingJun 26 15:10
schestowitzl0de: corrected nowJun 26 15:10
schestowitzattrb. added at the endJun 26 15:10
l0de/fnHe's a rich guy who is bored and wrecking some things for funJun 26 15:10
schestowitzdebt-richJun 26 15:10
l0de/fnHe happened to select a target that had a ton of bad people in itJun 26 15:10
XRevan86schestowitz: The op doesn't matter on the freenode side.Jun 26 15:10
MinceRschestowitz: dunno, but you can check on wikipediaJun 26 15:10
schestowitz"king of overdraft"Jun 26 15:10
l0de/fnit's like a tornado hitting a trailer park full of meth headsJun 26 15:10
MinceRschestowitz: iirc it's pretty close to 2/3Jun 26 15:10
l0de/fnYou don't want to root for the tornado, but you doJun 26 15:11
MinceRnot sure if above or below thoughJun 26 15:11
schestowitzXRevan86: it was odd generallyJun 26 15:11
schestowitzlike, even when it got op back it took a while to work properly againJun 26 15:11
schestowitzmaybe totally unrelated to opJun 26 15:11
XRevan86l0de: That doesn't coincide with how things started in 2017.Jun 26 15:11
schestowitzMinceR: so it's not a functioning democracyJun 26 15:11
schestowitzthey can pass anything they wantJun 26 15:11
l0de/fnI believe at some pointJun 26 15:11
MinceRschestowitz: also, there's a member of parliament who is ostensibly there to represent some minority, but is actually another fideath droneJun 26 15:11
MinceRschestowitz: it hasn't been a democracy since 2010Jun 26 15:12
l0de/fna staff member insulted him, whether intentionally or notJun 26 15:12
l0de/fnAnd he is getting equalJun 26 15:12
l0de/fnIt tracks with the jwheare beefJun 26 15:12
l0de/fnhis actions are clearly intended to drive out foss people and he largely succeededJun 26 15:12
l0de/fnI don't know what his long term plan isJun 26 15:12
schestowitzso now "Freenode is FAUX"Jun 26 15:13
schestowitzMinceR: thanks, maybe I will do a meme about itJun 26 15:13
l0de/fnThe thing is there's nothing a troll likes more than people who take themselves too seriouslyJun 26 15:13
l0de/fnAnd oldnode was certainly guiltyJun 26 15:13
schestowitzcan you get an article about stacking courts for cases having a particular outcome?Jun 26 15:13
XRevan86l0de: But he seemed largely upset about driving FOSS out, at first at least. It's clear he's salty about the "betrayal".Jun 26 15:14
L0j1kthat's weird, that's true, how fixated people are on liberia. the one true thing from that articel (among others) is that projects need stability. but it's weird to me how liberia staffers seem to be fixated on this even in rejecting outsiders. Jun 26 15:14
schestowitzMinceR:  Magyar would be OKJun 26 15:15
schestowitzthis wikipedia 'article' is a puff pieceJun 26 15:15
L0j1klike you just did the thing where you were the opposite of stability, butJun 26 15:15
l0de/fnanalysis of his actions needs to weight his heavy marijuana intakeJun 26 15:15
L0j1kany outliersJun 26 15:15
L0j1kzappedJun 26 15:15
MinceRschestowitz: this one? >> 26 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | National Assembly (Hungary) - WikipediaJun 26 15:15
l0de/fnAnd his relative lack of interest in the whole thing. The freenode situation occupies maybe 5% of his total interestsJun 26 15:15
l0de/fnIt's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-drivenJun 26 15:16
DaemonFCGarrett is complaining about Freenode and the GDPR.Jun 26 15:16
L0j1kthat being said, techrights would benefit from being in #freenode on freenode rn, becuase the kind of chats that our peak existence relies on, are happening in that channel rnJun 26 15:16
schestowitzMinceR: I seee.   "Fidesz–KDNP (133)"Jun 26 15:16
L0j1kspam and trolling asideJun 26 15:16
L0j1kit's the conversation that always needs to be happeningJun 26 15:16
DaemonFCThe easiest way to bypass GDPR is to pull out of the EU completely, ignore it, and then their court rulings don't apply to you.Jun 26 15:16
DaemonFCI've noticed that many sites don't work correctly anymore, if at all, if I am using a VPN server in an EU country.Jun 26 15:17
XRevan86"It's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-driven" – this is my assessment also.Jun 26 15:17
MinceRgarrett should try resigning, see if it helpsJun 26 15:18
l0de/fnXrevan86 - at the same time I would be wary of underestimating him, he's not as stupid as he's leading people to believeJun 26 15:18
l0de/fnAnd there's definitely some greater intent driving him, even if his individual actions may be randomJun 26 15:18
l0de/fnThe liberia official position is now "Ignore lee and l0de and hope both go away"Jun 26 15:19
XRevan86l0de: "Millions of people" in freenode? Even the unrelated to the exodus introduction of as part of freenode has been a laughing stock.Jun 26 15:20
l0de/fnI think he's looking at a future where his app has a userbase like discordJun 26 15:20
l0de/fnwhich is improbable but not impossibleJun 26 15:20
XRevan86It's pretty impossible.Jun 26 15:21
schestowitzMinceR: I prepare a memeJun 26 15:21
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kingoffranceits not impossible, i just dont see developers chatting on their phones frequently or writing code on their phonesJun 26 15:27
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l0de/fnI don't think he wants developersJun 26 15:27
kingoffranceyepJun 26 15:27
l0de/fnthose are the people he chased outJun 26 15:27
XRevan86I don't see the Discord audience switching to IRC.comJun 26 15:27
l0de/fnthe most likely outcome is he'll get bored of this and abandon it half-wayJun 26 15:27
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Finance ☞ A #sBitcoin Transaction Tax 26 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Bitcoin Transaction Tax - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 15:28
l0de/fnand we'll never know if there was some master planJun 26 15:28
DaemonFCI got a portable washing machine.Jun 26 15:28
DaemonFCThe coin-op laundry is expensive and people do disgusting things with it.Jun 26 15:28
XRevan86If they suddenly decide that Discord is bad and look for the alternative, they'll just go to Matrix.Jun 26 15:28
DaemonFCHalf the time it's broken, or someone leaves bleach in it and it gets on your clothing.Jun 26 15:28
XRevan86… is not competition even for that.Jun 26 15:29
MinceRi doubt an irc-based app will be restrictive enough for the masses to love it like they love shitcordJun 26 15:29
XRevan86It doesn't utilise IRC's strengths, it just tries to mimic the popular kid on the block.Jun 26 15:31
l0de/fnDaemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for youJun 26 15:31
l0de/fnYour time is worth moreJun 26 15:31
l0de/fnI think it's premature to pass judgment on an idea we haven't really heard yet. If nothing else, he has access to the financial resources to do something very large and very stupidJun 26 15:32
l0de/fnso I am going to wait and seeJun 26 15:32
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies ☞ The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End #Vaccine Apartheid 26 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End Vaccine Apartheid | Amy GoodmanJun 26 15:32 is just kiwiirc appifiedJun 26 15:32
schestowitzit isJun 26 15:33
XRevan86chunky: It's probably not "just kiwiirc" if it has push notifications and such.Jun 26 15:33
chunkyguess that's part of the appification ;)Jun 26 15:34
schestowitzapp becomes app when it disrupts the mindJun 26 15:34
schestowitzand won't leave you aloneJun 26 15:34
schestowitzeven in the kitchenJun 26 15:34
CrystalMathforgive me but..Jun 26 15:35
CrystalMathwhat are push notifications?Jun 26 15:35
schestowitzthe server notifies a device when an event is triggeredJun 26 15:35
schestowitzinstead of polling the server for updatesJun 26 15:35
schestowitzafaikJun 26 15:35
CrystalMathoh, hmm, but IRC does that all the time, no?Jun 26 15:35
CrystalMathi mean you get a PRIVMSGJun 26 15:35
schestowitzthey push this crap also into "modern" browsers, which want to take over your desktop for "information"Jun 26 15:35
CrystalMathyeah but IRC was designed this wayJun 26 15:36
XRevan86CrystalMath: Heard of Firebase Cloud Messaging ?Jun 26 15:36
CrystalMathXRevan86: noJun 26 15:36
schestowitzCrystalMath: email worked that wayJun 26 15:36
schestowitzexcept email is pullJun 26 15:36
schestowitznot pushJun 26 15:36
schestowitzsocial control media popularised this capJun 26 15:36
schestowitz*crapJun 26 15:36
XRevan86CrystalMath: The trick is that it's a single application that maintains a connection to the (Google) server, and some subscribed service sends a message to Google then Google sends it to the FCM client.Jun 26 15:37
schestowitz[someone you went to school with 20 years ago] liked [something that doesn't matter] in [someone's sister's] timeline [x minutes ago]Jun 26 15:37
CrystalMathXRevan86: yeah but i mean, with KiwiIRC you maintain a connectionJun 26 15:37
XRevan86which will be received regardless of whether the recepient application is active or logged inJun 26 15:37
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XRevan86CrystalMath: This removes the need for that.Jun 26 15:38
L0j1kalso lil pump is a popular rapperJun 26 15:38
L0j1k"Lil Pump" is his nameJun 26 15:38
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XRevan86CrystalMath: Instead only GMS (the FCM client) will need to maintain the connection to the FCM server, efficiently.Jun 26 15:39
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CrystalMathwell tbh i don't know how it works, i guess it's important for phonesJun 26 15:40
XRevan86CrystalMath: Phones need to be able to get to "deep sleep", that's the importance.Jun 26 15:40
CrystalMathyeahJun 26 15:40
schestowitzphones are organisms now?Jun 26 15:41
immibisthis also means all your notifications have to go through google's censorwareJun 26 15:42
CrystalMathtbh i'm so far removed from that technology, you might as well say they're organisms to meJun 26 15:42
immibiswhich google likesJun 26 15:42
DaemonFC<l0de/fn> Daemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for youJun 26 15:42
XRevan86schestowitz: When a PC goes to suspend mode, where is it suspended?Jun 26 15:42
DaemonFCOddly, the wash and fold rates aren't much higher than doing it all yourself.Jun 26 15:42
CrystalMathl0de: i have a washing machine at home and it's at least 35 years oldJun 26 15:42
XRevan86immibis: Yes, that's an implication.Jun 26 15:42
CrystalMathstill happy with itJun 26 15:42
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immibisgoogle gives you the choice between inefficiency and censorshipJun 26 15:43
immibisinefficiency and reliance on googleJun 26 15:44
immibisthey could make it so you give the FCM client a list of URLs to poll, but no, it only polls google serversJun 26 15:44
immibisthat way it would still be efficient because it would poll them all simultaneouslyJun 26 15:44
immibisand vary the polling rate based on battery level and movement, or whatever it usesJun 26 15:45
XRevan86immibis: They don't care.Jun 26 15:46
schestowitzCrystalMath: they don't make machines like that anymoreJun 26 15:48
CrystalMathi know, it's 100% analog :)Jun 26 15:49
schestowitzMinceR: can you check the meme about FidSS?Jun 26 15:51
schestowitzCrystalMath: makes them easier to repairJun 26 15:51
schestowitzmechanisms, not microchipsJun 26 15:51
schestowitzsame reason I don't like cars with too many electric componentsJun 26 15:51
schestowitzit's very rare that you're able to fix them, even if you buy the components online. too fine and no standardJun 26 15:52
MinceRschestowitz: yeahJun 26 15:52
schestowitzMinceR: 26 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | TechrightsJun 26 15:53
MinceRschestowitz: i don't get itJun 26 15:54
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schestowitzthe courts will never rule against the ruling partyJun 26 15:55
immibismicrochips are fine as long as they're simple enough to replace with your ownJun 26 15:57
immibisany old fool could make their own washing machine control boardJun 26 15:57
schestowitzyou'd wishJun 26 15:57
schestowitzeven just getting through to that part is hardJun 26 15:57
immibisrun motor X for Y secondsJun 26 15:57
schestowitzI bet some washing machines already connect to the wifiJun 26 15:58
immibisas long as there's no proprietary secret sauce, i don't think they're obligated to go out of their way to make it easier than the defaultJun 26 15:58
schestowitzfor gawd knows what...Jun 26 15:58
schestowitzmaybe to send "push notification" to your phone when it's done (hint: you could instead set a time on any phone)Jun 26 15:58
schestowitzmachine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new onesJun 26 15:59
immibisthere's your mini-business idea: generic open source washing machine controllersJun 26 16:00
immibissold with instructions like: connect motor to these contacts, pump to these contacts, float switch to these contactsJun 26 16:00
immibisreprogram with arduino ide, here is the default program source codeJun 26 16:00
techrights-news[Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) #epo #corruption #europe #patent #swpatsJun 26 16:01
DaemonFC<schestowitz> machine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new onesJun 26 16:02
DaemonFCYes, I might yet get the Impala repaired.Jun 26 16:02
DaemonFCThere's many used parts floating around.Jun 26 16:02
DaemonFCIt runs fine for the most part despite age and mileage.Jun 26 16:03
schestowitzXRevan86: it keeps happening at random; some messages from techrights-news do not get relayed across, I cannot see the patternJun 26 16:03
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immibismaybe schestowitz can make a case that his speech is achieving something, but for the rest of us, actions speak louder than wordsJun 26 16:04
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Wildlife ☞ New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency 26 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency | Common Dreams NewsJun 26 16:04
schestowitznow it relayed OK, XRevan86Jun 26 16:04
*XRevan86 has no idea.Jun 26 16:04
schestowitzimmibis: we take actions, tooJun 26 16:05
DaemonFCI think that they really should bring back trial by combat.Jun 26 16:05
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Nature ☞ #GreatBarrierReef Wars 26 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Great Barrier Reef Wars - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:06
DaemonFCThere's still references in the law to mutual combatancy, but in effect it means the prosecutor simply doesn't want to deal with it.Jun 26 16:06
schestowitzXRevan86: reproduced the issue just nowJun 26 16:07
schestowitzlatest message from techrights-news was not relayed to freenodeJun 26 16:07
XRevan86what's so special about it…Jun 26 16:07
schestowitzit did only in "-social"Jun 26 16:07
schestowitz but not hereJun 26 16:07
schestowitzand in -social sometimes the same issue happens, maybe freenode does something at its endJun 26 16:08
DaemonFCIf both sides agree to have a duel to settle an issue, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to.Jun 26 16:08
DaemonFCWhat goes on in court is just stupid.Jun 26 16:08
schestowitzit would be interesting if we could demonstrate lost messages in Freenode serversJun 26 16:09
schestowitz(that started happening around 1pm GMT today, first I noticed it...and looked back to verify it did not happen before)Jun 26 16:10
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut #Unemployment ☞ Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts Warn 26 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts WarnJun 26 16:12
DaemonFC"However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!" -FreenodeJun 26 16:12
schestowitzXRevan86: just now it works, so it's sort of on and off, touch and go...Jun 26 16:13
schestowitzI'll observe this closely for the coming hours, as it might be a symptom of issues in freenode itselfJun 26 16:13
DaemonFC"The freenode digital autonomous zone."Jun 26 16:13
DaemonFCYes, like when a bunch of black people in Seattle declared that they had seceded from America.Jun 26 16:13
schestowitzDestruction was not a goalJun 26 16:14
schestowitzbut a side effect amid incompetenceJun 26 16:14
schestowitzand failure to comprehend users and communities (collectives) in freenodeJun 26 16:14
schestowitzand freenode staff, tooJun 26 16:14
DaemonFCThen they actually had "warlords" roaming the area and people with guns demanding "fees" from people who came through, after they burned down the police station.Jun 26 16:14
DaemonFCYou want a sneak preview of what leftist blacks want for the entire country, it was CHAZ.Jun 26 16:14
*schestowitz notes that less on-topic things will show up here, as freenode seems to be losing messages (maybe)Jun 26 16:15
DaemonFCThat never expanded to more than several square blocks, but that's what they want everywhere.Jun 26 16:15
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ The Paths of Justice for #BertaCáceres 26 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Paths of Justice for Berta Cáceres - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:15
schestowitzmaybe freenode filters for something?Jun 26 16:16
schestowitzthat first message did not go acrossJun 26 16:16
DaemonFCWhat mjg59_ doesn't get, I guess, is that this is what he pushes for.Jun 26 16:16
schestowitztest: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ The Paths of Justice for #BertaCáceres 26 16:16
CrystalMathhuh?Jun 26 16:16
DaemonFCCHAZ is what the leftist blacks want.Jun 26 16:16
DaemonFCThe strong prey on the weak.Jun 26 16:16
CrystalMathschestowitz: all the messages got through as far as i can seeJun 26 16:16
DaemonFCThat's how they treat each other on the streets of Chicago.Jun 26 16:16
immibiswhat do you think about FAZ?Jun 26 16:17
DaemonFCIt's idiotic.Jun 26 16:17
immibisyesterday i commented that you posted 30 messages with no racism, today it's back to 0Jun 26 16:17
DaemonFCAnyway, the killing will never stop in Chicago.Jun 26 16:17
DaemonFCThere's always more where those other bastards came from.Jun 26 16:17
schestowitzCrystalMath: some messages from "techrights-news" do not show up in FreenodeJun 26 16:17
immibisDaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat?Jun 26 16:17
immibisbecuase that seems to be what you're sayingJun 26 16:18
DaemonFCAs soon as they're old enough for a gang to stick a gun in their hand, that's what happens.Jun 26 16:18
CrystalMathschestowitz: most likely a bridge bugJun 26 16:18
schestowitzwe checked operator status, restarted the bridgeJun 26 16:18
DaemonFC<immibis> DaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat?Jun 26 16:18
DaemonFCRarely.Jun 26 16:18
schestowitzthe bridge worked fine until now, so maybe the issue is at the networkJun 26 16:18
immibisDaemonFC: maybe society should educate people better so they've got something better to do than shoot people with gunsJun 26 16:18
DaemonFCThey're a terrible shot. They come up against a white man with the firearms training, and you know exactly what will happen.Jun 26 16:18
DaemonFCBlack people get illegal guns and spray and pray.Jun 26 16:18
immibisDaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combatJun 26 16:19
DaemonFCThat's why 90% of the time, they miss what they're shooting at and take out grandma,.Jun 26 16:19
DaemonFC<immibis> DaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combatJun 26 16:19
DaemonFC20 paces, turn and shoot.Jun 26 16:19
immibisthat barely qualifies as combat. That is to combat what Notepad is to a word processorJun 26 16:20
immibiswhat VBA is to a programming languageJun 26 16:20
immibiswhat vendor-lock-in phones are to computersJun 26 16:21
immibis"click here to get rich"Jun 26 16:21
DaemonFCWell, I'm just saying it would make an interesting third option.Jun 26 16:21
DaemonFCYou know, bench trial, jury trial, trial by combat.Jun 26 16:21
immibiscan nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat?Jun 26 16:21
immibishow about guerilla warfare?Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCGorilla Warfare.Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCEeek eeeek oook ook ook.Jun 26 16:22
immibiscan I get in a submarine and hide underwater until the enemy gets bored? You are glorifying one kind of combat (which happens to be one that you feel white people are good at) and ignoring all the rest!Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCSwords, maybe.Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCYou don't see many of them anymore.Jun 26 16:23
immibismodern combat is hacking the enemy's smartphone so the battery explodesJun 26 16:23
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Wildlife #Nature #Brazil #Bolsonaro ☞ Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations 26 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:23
immibismodern combat is convincing the judge you should win the case even though you're clearly in the wrongJun 26 16:23
immibismodern combat is *bribing* the judgeJun 26 16:23
immibismodern combat is offering them nearly endless cheap debt until they realize they can't repay any of it and then you repossess their whole companyJun 26 16:24
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ We Can’t Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes 26 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We Can’t Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:24
MinceR26 171640 < DaemonFC> The strong prey on the weak.Jun 26 16:24
MinceRthat's what the state does tooJun 26 16:25
immibismodern combat is finding the specific trucks carrying their computers and preinstalling RATs on themJun 26 16:25
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheNation #Incarceration #MassIncarceration #US ☞ Building the #PrisonToCollege Pipeline 26 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Building the Prison-to-College Pipeline | The NationJun 26 16:25
MinceR26 172143 < immibis> can nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat?Jun 26 16:25
immibisDaemonFC: why do you get to decide what is combat?Jun 26 16:25
MinceRyes\Jun 26 16:25
MinceRs/.$//Jun 26 16:25
immibis[Sed] <MinceR> yesJun 26 16:26
MinceRit's very simpleJun 26 16:26
immibis2A gives me the right to have nuclear weaponsJun 26 16:26
MinceRonce only one party of the conflict survives, there's no conflict anymoreJun 26 16:26
MinceRimmibis: indeedJun 26 16:26
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #health #nutrition ☞ Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation 26 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:26
MinceR(also if no party of the conflict survives)Jun 26 16:26
immibisthe only question is whether FC considers them a valid form of combatJun 26 16:26
DaemonFC 26 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 720 ILCS 5/32-4fJun 26 16:26
MinceRFuture Crew?Jun 26 16:27
DaemonFCIllinois does have an anti-sovereign citizen law.Jun 26 16:27
DaemonFCSovereign citizens tend to file false liens against public officials as a form of harassment.Jun 26 16:27
MinceRthey needed an extra law for that?Jun 26 16:27
schestowitzXRevan86: I think I start to see a pattern. If the message has about 5 #hashtags in it, it won't be showing up in freenodeJun 26 16:27
schestowitzbut it does, for now, relay OK to #boycottnovell-social aat FreenodeJun 26 16:28
XRevan86#one #odd #and #peculiar #why #would #it #do #thatJun 26 16:28
XRevan86probably spam detectionJun 26 16:28
MinceRyeahJun 26 16:28
schestowitzyes, heuristicsJun 26 16:28
schestowitzat freenode's sideJun 26 16:28
MinceRinspircd has spamfilterJun 26 16:28
schestowitzwould be worth doing a post about itJun 26 16:29
MinceRircops can add regexen and what to do with messages that match themJun 26 16:29
schestowitzpls don't mind me stress testing it for patterns with actual news that's not so TECH-rightsJun 26 16:29
MinceRit's very handy against the spambots nowadaysJun 26 16:29
immibisDaemonFC: gross. It should apply to all people, not just judges!Jun 26 16:29
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Environment #politics #climate ☞ House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era #Methane Rule 26 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era Methane Rule | Common Dreams NewsJun 26 16:30
immibisand it should fall under some more general law about false legal informationJun 26 16:30
immibislike fraud or whateverJun 26 16:30
techrights-news"This is the same Ronny Jackson who was WH physician to Trump, G W Bush, and Barack Obama, the same Ronny Jackson nominated by Trump to serve as secretary of Veterans Affairs before allegations arose about Jackson’s on-the-job drinking and workplace hostility." 26 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-State of Matter - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:32
schestowitzmaybe the block is on the domain, not hashtagJun 26 16:33
immibisyour domains have been unpersonedJun 26 16:33
techrights-news"no matter what political party or ideology, it seems to be as rampant as the Covid-19 virus." 26 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Government Be Gone! - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:34
schestowitzmaybe freenode blocked counterpunch?Jun 26 16:34
schestowitzit's a leftist siteJun 26 16:34
schestowitzlet's check the pattern backwardsJun 26 16:34
XRevan86schestowitz: Does it ignore TechrightsBot-tr?Jun 26 16:35
schestowitzif freenode blacklists some news sites, under some conditions, then I think if it's not domain rate-limiting, it's a red flagJun 26 16:35
schestowitzXRevan86: no, as thst bot does not contain links, just headlines/<title>Jun 26 16:35
MinceR 26 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Module Details: filter (v3) - InspIRCd DocumentationJun 26 16:36
XRevan86(15:26:47) techrights-news: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #health #nutrition ☞ Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation 26 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:36
XRevan86Did my message get relayed?Jun 26 16:36
schestowitz/fnyesJun 26 16:36
MinceR(test) trumpJun 26 16:38
XRevan86I'll restart the bridge in debug modeJun 26 16:38
MinceRthat's not itJun 26 16:38
schestowitzat 2am my time it dropped every message, about 8 in a row, from techrights-newsJun 26 16:39
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* gives channel operator status to bridgeJun 26 16:39
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XRevan86now it's in debug modeJun 26 16:40
techrights-newsIt is hardly surprising that the #EPO keeps approving European #softwarepatents when #AntónioCampinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal; he’s ‘fixing’ the cases 26 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | TechrightsJun 26 16:41
schestowitzlet's try CounterPunchJun 26 16:42
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #NewYork #NYC #Manhattan ☞ The Development of #RobertMoses 26 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Development of Robert Moses  - CounterPunch.orgJun 26 16:42
schestowitzthat latest post from techrights-news did NOT get relayed (the first one wa)Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz*wasJun 26 16:43
schestowitzmaybe debugging info will show you whyJun 26 16:43
schestowitzI think we might have something to write about here, as I never saw freenode doing this beforeJun 26 16:43
schestowitz      <li>Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz        <h5><a href="">The Development of Robert Moses</a></h5>Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz        <blockquote>Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz          <p>New York City Parks Commissioner, City Construction Coordinator, and head of multiple city and state agencies and public authorities, as well as Secretary of State of New York in the 1920s, Moses left a monumental, and monumentally toxic, legacy. To be sure, no brief introduction to Moses life and work can adequately describe the unjust and ecocidal mess he’s fixed in place in the layout of streets, in steel and concrete, in highways,Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz buildings, and bridges, in the New York metropolitan region and beyond.</p>Jun 26 16:43
schestowitz          <p>If you’ve ever visited Inwood Hill Park in Upper Manhattan, or Van Cortlandt Park in the Bronx, or Flushing Meadows Park in Queens, or Lake Belmont State Park in Long Island and wondered why these parks, among many others across the New York metropolitan area, all have multi-lane highways thundering through them, spreading noise pollution, in addition to poisoning the air in spaces ostensibly dedicated to distance from such forces, Jun 26 16:43
schestowitzthe answer is: because Robert Moses, crusader of “progress, growth and development,” wanted it that way.</p></blockquote></li>Jun 26 16:43
schestowitzthose are left-leaning sitesJun 26 16:44
schestowitzsorry for the accidental pasteJun 26 16:44
XRevan86> level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 477.777µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gatewayJun 26 16:44
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheNation #Psychoanalysis #literature #Psychology ☞ Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm 26 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Analysis Interminable: On Janet Malcolm | The NationJun 26 16:46
schestowitzthis one did not get relayed, eitherJun 26 16:46
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XRevan86schestowitz: I think I know what's so special about techrights-newsJun 26 16:47
XRevan86schestowitz: It sends the same message to multiple channels.Jun 26 16:47
schestowitzthey both relayed OK to #boycottnovell-social  but not this channel, so there is definitely something in the way, either domain name, hashtag, or bothJun 26 16:47
XRevan86The #boycottnovell-social message was attempted first.Jun 26 16:48
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XRevan86so it's the one that went throughJun 26 16:48
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut #finance #poverty ☞ #Biden Extends #Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis Looms 26 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Biden Extends Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis LoomsJun 26 16:50
schestowitzthis one got relayed to bothJun 26 16:50
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut #goldenDawnald #WarOnProtest #RightToAssemble #Dissent ☞ Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of Protesters 26 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of ProtestersJun 26 16:51
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MinceRit's superfluous to send it to multiple channels anywayJun 26 16:52
schestowitzI can change thatJun 26 16:52
XRevan86time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#boycottnovell-social) to irc.freenode (#boycottnovell-social) took 134.496µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gatewayJun 26 16:52
XRevan86time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 148.033µs" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gatewayJun 26 16:52
schestowitzbut that would not get to the bottom of the issue at handJun 26 16:52
XRevan86That's the timings on "Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm"Jun 26 16:52
schestowitzmaybe one needs a delay, or freenode detects that as too fast in succession?Jun 26 16:53
XRevan86I can add a MessageDelayJun 26 16:53
schestowitzbetween the twoJun 26 16:53
XRevan86Or rather, increase it, it's 1300 milliseconds right now.Jun 26 16:54
schestowitzlike I said, I first noticed this around 2pm today, when it was worst (but has not been fully solved since, either, so I assume freenode changed something)Jun 26 16:54
XRevan86cast CrystalMathJun 26 16:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Also maybe the bot should be op everywhere after all, that may make it more trusted maybe.Jun 26 16:55
schestowitzit did improve that in socialJun 26 16:56
schestowitzi think since it got op in -social it has worked OKJun 26 16:56
schestowitzexcept at 3pm: "[14:57] [Notice] -tr-bridge to #boycottnovell-social- [TechrightsSocial/tr] | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants"Jun 26 16:57
schestowitzwhen it worked ok here, but not in -socialJun 26 16:57
schestowitzvery offJun 26 16:57
schestowitz*oddJun 26 16:57
schestowitzI think that leads to intrigues about potential changes at the backend of freenode, even if just throttling for spam preventionJun 26 16:59
schestowitzbut this is clearly not limited to one domain and can't be attributed just to hashtags, eitherJun 26 17:00
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▅▂▃▃▄▄▆█▅▃▅▅▅▅█▆▃▆▄▅▇▅▆▄▇▆▆▂▂▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 29.10 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁█▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 12.36▕ swarm size (avg): 305.63  ⟲Jun 26 17:00
XRevan86schestowitz: I want to shut down the bridge for a few minutes to add some user modes if that's O.K.Jun 26 17:00
schestowitzyes, sureJun 26 17:00
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XRevan86All good?Jun 26 17:04
XRevan86I wanted to add +B to it, but also +D, +i and such.Jun 26 17:05
techrights-newsIt is hardly surprising that the EPO keeps approving European software patents when António Campinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | TechrightsJun 26 17:05
schestowitzthe above was not relatedJun 26 17:05
schestowitz*relayedJun 26 17:05
techrights-newsAll our #EPO articles have long been available over #GeminiProtocol (gemini://) and today we have a complete list of all those articles (in gemini://) • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini | TechrightsJun 26 17:05
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schestowitzthis one was not eitherJun 26 17:06
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XRevan86schestowitz: What MessageDelay to put…Jun 26 17:06
techrights-news#IRC is #freesoftware (protocol implemented mostly using code anybody can deploy and use) 26 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why IRC is Best Off When Self-Hosted (and Large IRC Networks Are Just a Temporarily Convenient Trap) | TechrightsJun 26 17:06
XRevan86maybe to just double it…Jun 26 17:06
schestowitznot sure it's the delayJun 26 17:07
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XRevan86I'll try anyway. Doubling it should be enough if that's the culprit.Jun 26 17:07
schestowitzI think we might be looking now at freenode backend changes, as we changed nothing at our endJun 26 17:07
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #goldenDawnald ☞ It’s Time to Talk About #MichaelFlynn and His Cronies 26 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | It’s Time to Talk About Michael Flynn and His Cronies | Lawrence WilkersonJun 26 17:08
schestowitzthis once got relayedJun 26 17:08
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty Chairs 26 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty ChairsJun 26 17:09
schestowitzboth the above relayed OKJun 26 17:09
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schestowitzI'll try some new free software linksJun 26 17:09
*XRevan86 just had to share the config yesterday, just a day and it's outdated %)Jun 26 17:10
activelowis this some anti-spam filter or is freenode censoring?Jun 26 17:10
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XRevan86activelow: The measure taken assumes the former.Jun 26 17:11
XRevan86seems to be working fineJun 26 17:11
techrights-newsYes, #malta should give #ubuntu #gnu #linux a go. Oh, not THAT "Ubuntu"? 26 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Malta is losing its way. Ubuntu could offer it direction - Colm ReganJun 26 17:11
schestowitzactivelow: seems plausible around 2pm my time they tweaked somethingJun 26 17:12
schestowitzand basically dropped some messagesJun 26 17:12
schestowitzwhat we do not is akin to reverse engineeringJun 26 17:12
schestowitzbecause we do not know what change, if anything, at the back end thereJun 26 17:13
XRevan86schestowitz: If it stopped happening, then we can assume that we do know what changed :)Jun 26 17:13
techrights-news#gnu #linux sites really ought to stop relaying #microsoft #vapourware about #visat11 and try to concentrate on what Microsoft likely looks to distract from, e.g. collapse of the Gates Foundation and 26 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsoft’s Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | TechrightsJun 26 17:14
schestowitzXRevan86: yes, we can write about that tooJun 26 17:15
schestowitzthey could delay the relay at their enddJun 26 17:15
schestowitzinstead of nuking messagesJun 26 17:15
XRevan86schestowitz: Their intention is not to slow down the messages, it's to prevent multi-channel spam.Jun 26 17:15
schestowitzyes, maybe they had issues like thatJun 26 17:18
schestowitzmind you, it worked fine for yearsJun 26 17:18
XRevan86 updated configJun 26 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian PastezoneJun 26 17:19
XRevan86schestowitz: Good thing ye moved techrights-news over :). Otherwise, ye would've had needed to make these changes in it.Jun 26 17:22
XRevan86that was an overly convoluted sentence from meJun 26 17:27
techrights-news#Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux kernel code contributions • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Kernel #China #TuxMachinesJun 26 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:34
DaemonFCThe eviction moratorium needs to end.Jun 26 17:36
schestowitzLOL, they still call it "moratorium"Jun 26 17:36
DaemonFCIf people can't pay their bills, they need to file bankruptcy already and then get started paying their rent going forward.Jun 26 17:36
terpsthere is literally no properties for rent right now in my areaJun 26 17:36
terpsall being squattedJun 26 17:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United Nations moratorium on the death penalty - WikipediaJun 26 17:37
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terpsbeen looking for a cheap rental closer to my work so I don't have to commute so muchJun 26 17:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Justice delayed is justice denied - WikipediaJun 26 17:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2010 United States deepwater drilling moratorium - WikipediaJun 26 17:37
immibiswelcome to the modern real estate market. which the left has been complaining about for *years*Jun 26 17:37
terpshow about a diarhea moratoriumJun 26 17:37
terpsit's not the real estate market it's because no1 can be evictedJun 26 17:38
schestowitznot a good ideaJun 26 17:38
terpsall the rentals are being squattedJun 26 17:38
terpsthe real estate market here is doing OKJun 26 17:38
immibisjust buy one thenJun 26 17:38
schestowitzyou can burst intestines or inflame themJun 26 17:38
terpsright but this is the root cause administrationJun 26 17:38
terpsput a moratorium on diarhea and investigate the root causeJun 26 17:39
terpsthen do nothingJun 26 17:39
terpsand hope it worksJun 26 17:39
schestowitzsome tent concessions were madeJun 26 17:39
terpsthen when it doesn'tJun 26 17:39
schestowitzjust to keep tenants inJun 26 17:39
terpsblame white supremacistsJun 26 17:39
schestowitzit's a class issueJun 26 17:39
terpsyepJun 26 17:40
schestowitznobody seems to be turning this into a race issueJun 26 17:40
terpswe've gone from capitalism to corporatismJun 26 17:40
schestowitzexcept your straw manJun 26 17:40
schestowitzhere in the UK there's a company called GentooJun 26 17:40
immibis"that wasn't real capitalism"Jun 26 17:40
schestowitzI see it coming up in my rss feedsJun 26 17:40
schestowitzthey own tons of housesJun 26 17:40
schestowitzlike tens of thousandsJun 26 17:40
activelowuhm, in germany it was "the left" who sold public state-owned real estate in Berlin for example, and elsewhereJun 26 17:40
schestowitzso landlords are now corporationsdJun 26 17:40
terpsyeah we have the same thing going on hereJun 26 17:41
schestowitzand farmland owned by a famous criminal called Bill GatesJun 26 17:41
immibisactivelow: was it? now the left is trying to buy it backJun 26 17:41
terpsbill gates buying up all the farmland blackrock buying up all the homesJun 26 17:41
activelowimmibis: yes, the left did it.Jun 26 17:41
terpsit's clearly an attack on the classes and all this racial division crap is meant to distract us from itJun 26 17:41
immibisschestowitz: corporations owned by other corporations owned by other corporations. when traced back it's probably millions or tens of millionsJun 26 17:41
schestowitzprivatisation is not a lefist thingJun 26 17:41
schestowitzit's a corporate party thing, like Tories in UKJun 26 17:41
immibisactivelow: were nazis leftists? just checkingJun 26 17:42
activelowand, it was "the left" who called for uncontrolled mass immigration into the cities without required real-estate regulations in placeJun 26 17:42
schestowitzDehomag was to the left of Hitler :-)Jun 26 17:42
immibisactivelow: this always makes me laugh internally because the right proposes regulating the free marketJun 26 17:42
activelowimmibis: please skip this nazi quackery, this political party ceased to exist in 1945Jun 26 17:42
immibisactivelow: but were they leftists?Jun 26 17:43
terpsthing is racism isn't a problem at all in americaJun 26 17:43
terpsppl act like this is the most racist era in american historyJun 26 17:43
terpsmeanwhile at one point 5% of americans were active KKK membersJun 26 17:43
immibis"not the worst in history" != "not a problem"Jun 26 17:43
terpsand that number is down to like 5k people or .00001% of the population or something like thatJun 26 17:44
activelowimmibis: who? the nsdap was in essence the "workers' party"Jun 26 17:44
terpsracism is literally at an all time lowJun 26 17:44
terpsand then they start this divisive racial narrativeJun 26 17:44
terpsand suddenly it's on the upturnJun 26 17:44
terpsbecause that was the intended consequenceJun 26 17:44
terpsdistract the proles from the banks and wallstreetJun 26 17:45
terpsand turn them on each otherJun 26 17:45
schestowitzanyway, back to techJun 26 17:45
immibisactivelow: is that a yes?Jun 26 17:45
schestowitzwe have a channel called #boycottnovell-social historically for this purposeJun 26 17:45
techrights-newsThis old bullshit about light shifts is making a comeback. It's not totally baseless, but hyped up again. 26 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Schedule the Blue Light Filter on an Android Device - Make Tech EasierJun 26 17:46
terpsI mean it's 40 people here and 10% of those are activeJun 26 17:47
terpsare we really trashing the channel with off topic chat? lolJun 26 17:47
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terpsthat's the problem with society these daysJun 26 17:48
terpsit's too easy to liveJun 26 17:48
terpsno real threats other than other peopleJun 26 17:48
terpsso we're more prone to make a huge issue out of things that aren'tJun 26 17:48
terpswhile ignoring things too long until they become an issue because we're comfortableJun 26 17:48
techrights-newsIf you wan to fall asleep, turn the darn thing off and let the mind 'switch off'. None of that "light shift" aura hooey...Jun 26 17:49
immibisi think the idea is the blue light hinders your sleeping even for a while after you turn it offJun 26 17:49
terpsI don't believe any of thatJun 26 17:50
terpshad a blue nightlight growing up slept like a baby I can sleep in the sun in the morning or at sunsetJun 26 17:50
techrights-newsCover it with tape, instead. #mozilla #firefox isn't trustworthy anymore. It has proprietary blobs and is fiscally run by #google 26 17:50
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immibisyou'd be surprised how many weird mechanisms biology has evolved that don't make much sense, but work in their specific contextJun 26 17:51
activelowfor me this was an issue for almost two decades now, to rent some office space for example, a tiny lab and such, to at least safely store my books somewhereJun 26 17:51
samiamsamwell the blue light is closer to sunlight and so it keeps you up more like sunlight doesJun 26 17:51
terpsI think a lot of the things in our diet and lack of activity are more to blame for difficulty sleeping than the color of light emitted by our displaysJun 26 17:51
immibisyou would think that A && (B || C || D) && (E || F) -> X, but it's actually just Y -> X, where Y happens to usually match A && (B || C || D) && (E || F)Jun 26 17:51
immibisexample: your breathing reflex is triggered by high CO2, not low O2. In a low-O2 environment, you're perfectly able to expel CO2 and you don't notice the lack of O2 until you pass outJun 26 17:52
terpsgo for a run do a few pushups take a shower and lay down and do basic meditation counting your breathesJun 26 17:52
terpsif you don't fall asleep you have a genetic or dietary issue imoJun 26 17:52
samiamsamdude what are you talking about.  exercise right before bed is going to keep you upJun 26 17:53
terpsfor me it's caffeineJun 26 17:53
terpslol what noJun 26 17:53
terpsthe shower relaxesJun 26 17:53
terpslook at lions if evolutionary theory is correct which I believe it is we evolved in a much similar environment to them for the majority of our history and they have no problem sleeping at middayJun 26 17:55
terpsthe light isn't the issueJun 26 17:55
samiamsamyou need to look at real data not just make up theories based on evolutionary theoryJun 26 17:55
terpsidk I just think people don't get enough exercise and consume to many stimulants that's why they can't sleepJun 26 17:56
terps*tooJun 26 17:57
terpswe live in a society of instant gratification and a lot of us push those dosing buttons in our brains way too muchJun 26 17:58
terpsI go to sleep every night watching a monitor a meter away from my faceJun 26 17:58
immibisterps: lions have different evolution making them sleep at midday, thenJun 26 17:59
terpsyou've never fallen asleep in the sun?Jun 26 17:59
immibisterps: lions have different evolutionary pressures from humans. Otherwise you could say, since we evolved in a similar environment to lions, why can't we roar?Jun 26 17:59
terpsIf I wasn't german and irish  I would do it all the timeJun 26 17:59
terpsI don't tan I just turn red and get more moles and frecklesJun 26 18:00
terpsI can't think of a single animal from the african plains that doesn't sleep during the day sometimesJun 26 18:02
terpsidk I just feel like there's more historical and evolutionary evidence for light not being an issue and for every study you find that says it is you can find another that says it isn'tJun 26 18:03
immibisjob: seems a bit useless to me. I'd rather see federated identities and federated channels. Not Matrix, which has distributed channelsJun 26 18:04
immibisjob: IRC trusts all serversJun 26 18:04
terpslike I said some have a gene maybe, some have diet/exercise issues, and some just lack discipline.Jun 26 18:04
immibisyour idea means if I want to create #linux I can just create a server and create #linux on that server. Then, I can do whatever I want such as banning all non-windows discussionJun 26 18:04
immibisI can even register all dictionary wordsJun 26 18:05
immibisbut if it had to be, that would be less of a concern, because someone else could make a and spread word around that it's a better one. But then there would be duplicate channelsJun 26 18:05
immibisperhaps you have trust relationships regarding channel names, so someone on who joins #linux joins by default, and someone on joins by default, and someone on *also* joins by defaultJun 26 18:06
immibisbut that's probably more confusing than usefulJun 26 18:07
immibisI wanted to try matrix but then I read it had decentralized channelsJun 26 18:09
terpsnoise I can understandJun 26 18:09
terpsI suffer from hyper vigilance and any noise that's out of the norm while I'm sleeping will have me wide awakeJun 26 18:10
activelowanyway, this was a highly relevant issue after 1990, in east germany, when public real-estate and ownership of companies was transferredJun 26 18:13
activelowall Universities executives replaced with minions of USA (CDU), university publishers soldJun 26 18:15
activelowimmibis: since "the left" sailing under false flag often ("pirate party" "eco activists" and all that) "befriends" with software people let may say it is a challenge to find worse enemies than such "friends" of free software and scienceJun 26 18:16
activelowessentially the ruling entities in germany are ALL minions of USA (atlantik brücke): newspapers, publishers, politicians who agitate in the interest of washington and who lobbies for particular interests thereJun 26 18:20
activelowprivatisation of telco to strengthen USA dominated monopolies was one consequenceJun 26 18:21
terpsyeah because now the feds listen and the telcos sell your metadataJun 26 18:22
activelowfeds?Jun 26 18:22
terpslike my instance I can use my ISPs dns and it's trash and they likely log it for purposesJun 26 18:22
immibisterps: humans also sleep during the day sometimes. look up "siesta". it's not obligatory for humansJun 26 18:22
terpsor I can use what cloudflare which is great but they're also not trustworthyJun 26 18:23
immibis"As for the origins of the practice in Spain, the scorching summer heat predominant mostly in the South is thought to have motivated those doing agrarian work to take a break to avoid the hottest part of the day. "Jun 26 18:24
immibisprobably the same reason lions do it. it's hot, so don't generate heatJun 26 18:24
activelowin east-germany universities and industry did establish *autark* chip manufacturing, it was independent from USA and Asian manufacturingJun 26 18:41
activelowafter 1990 scientists were transferred into social welfare programs to receive minimum wage at least, for their researchJun 26 18:45
activelowBMW car manufacturer is interesting too, it is mislabeled, it should have been Wartburg brand. Texas Instruments in German schools? Should have been Robotron.Jun 26 18:47
activelowHarley Davidson engine? It is Rotax ones. It is a long list of such.Jun 26 18:48
activelowEradicated from history books as if the entire country, their people, their companies never existed.Jun 26 18:49
activelowIncluding the currency, which is Deutsche Mark, not some toy money.Jun 26 18:55
gustafnothing on Wikipedia about a connection between H-D and RotaxJun 26 18:57
gustafwhich is an Austrian brand originally ]Jun 26 18:57
gustafH-D are famously backwards when it comes to engineering Jun 26 18:57
gustafvery American that way Jun 26 18:57
activelowRotax is Saxony East-GermanyJun 26 18:57
gustafat least vehicular Jun 26 18:57
gustafok Wikipedia is wrong then Jun 26 18:58
gustaf``The company was founded in 1920 in Dresden, Germany, as ROTAX-WERK AG. In 1930, it was taken over by Fichtel & Sachs and transferred its operations to Schweinfurt, Germany. Operations were moved to Wels, Austria, in 1943 and finally to Gunskirchen, Austria, in 1947.''Jun 26 18:58
terpsyeah HD looks at everything that makes a bike great and goes "yeah we're doing the opposite of that"Jun 26 18:59
gustafCanadian since 1970Jun 26 18:59
activelowanother remarkable "transfer" in recent years was Takraf Germany, it is now in the hands of some Italian money peopleJun 26 18:59
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gustafTechint? that's basically engineering Jun 26 19:00
activelowMafiaJun 26 19:05
gustafthat's a very retrograde, almost racist, view of Italians Jun 26 19:07
activelowmaybe, at leat their affiliates restored some old real-estate in small east-german townsJun 26 19:09
activelowitalian restaurantsJun 26 19:09
activelowin any case i couldn't at least afford to rent some small office, a lab space or anything, to store my books safely somewhereJun 26 19:13
activelownext autumn then i am allowed to vote in this new democracy USA blessed me with in germanyJun 26 19:14
gustafyou mean the Bundesrepublik? Jun 26 19:15
gustafwhich is like 70+ years old now? Jun 26 19:15
activelowLeipzig University is more than 1000 years old, it is among the oldest world wideJun 26 19:16
gustafBologna is older I believeJun 26 19:16
gustaf1088Jun 26 19:17
activelow1409, the monastry predating the university and Leipzig city is mentioned in historical records since year 900Jun 26 19:19
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techrights-newsOn tail calls and register allocation #programmingJun 26 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steinar H. GundersonJun 26 20:40
techrights-news"Yesterday night #KDE #Akademy 2021 ended after eight fun and productive days filled with talks, BoFs, workshops, discussions and meetings with old and new friends." 26 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Akademy 2021 RecapJun 26 20:43
techrights-news15 Excellent #FreeSW #Plotting Tools • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 15 Excellent Free and Open Source Plotting Tools | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:45
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techrights-newsOh, gosh. Come on, "Linux" sites... stop helping #microsoft (in blunders and scandals) paint everything with the #vista11 brush. They distract from truly horrible things... and this is just vapourware, as always...Jun 26 20:49
techrights-newsSeems like the term #BigTech (or "GAFA") was 'coined' by #microsoft to mean "large companies other than the biggest criminals out there..." 26 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsJun 26 20:51
techrights-news"I put together a small tutorial for #kiln (a simple static site generator with Gemini support). The goal is to make it easy for new users to get started." #geminiProtocol #internetJun 26 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [users] kiln tutorial siteJun 26 20:51
techrights-news#GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.12 with GeoClue 2.0 Location Services • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.12 with GeoClue 2.0 Location Services | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:57
techrights-newsList of Top 5 #CentOS #Linux Alternatives 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #IBM #RHELJun 26 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | List of Top 5 CentOS Linux Alternatives 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:57
techrights-news#NVIDIA Proposes The Linux Hardware Timestamping Engine • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NVIDIA Proposes The Linux Hardware Timestamping Engine | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:58
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techrights-newsYou have put your firm at the hands of your enemy, enemies of #libreoffice and #opendocument Format, just months after they paid you some money. It's a short-sighted move, history shows. Time and time again... 26 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: @schestowitz At the end of the day, even if GitHub is proprietary software, this move benefits the whole Collabora… 26 21:08
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techrights-news#google #youtube has gotten so bad, so toxic, and so competitive, that vloggers just post clickbait nonsense and provocative misinformation (not the only example from today!) 26 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-QUITTING Linux For macOS or Windows - YouTubeJun 26 21:16
techrights-news#DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #BSD #UNIX #TuxMachinesJun 26 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:22
techrights-newsEvents: #KDE #Akademy , elementary Developer Week, and DebConf • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Events: KDE Akademy, elementary Developer Week, and DebConf | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:22
techrights-news#Server : REST, Containers vs Virtual Machine, and #Postgres • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Server: REST, Containers vs Virtual Machine, and Postgres | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:23
techrights-news6 Reasons Why You Should Give #GNU #Linux Another Chance in 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 6 Reasons Why You Should Give Linux Another Chance in 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:24
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techrights-news#Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDEJun 26 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:24
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techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 21:53
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techrights-news#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 22:22
techrights-newsToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 22:22
techrights-newsLinks 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised | TechrightsJun 26 22:23
techrights-newsLatest RMS talk: Richard Stallman, Blau Araujo, Paulo Kretcheu, Alexandre Oliva 26 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 26 22:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft admits to signing rootkit malware in supply-chain fiascoJun 26 22:31
schestowitzThe media is helping Microsoft's vapourware tactics; sadly, over the past few days we saw more than a dozen so-called 'Linux' bloggers and vloggers playing along, joining a wave of Googlebombing (interjecting the vapourware into news about Microsoft's competitors)Jun 26 22:33
schestowitzoopsJun 26 22:33
schestowitzsummary of next postJun 26 22:33
schestowitzAriadne: niceJun 26 22:33
schestowitzthen they blame "Linux"Jun 26 22:33
schestowitzFor taking their malware downstreamJun 26 22:33
XRevan86schestowitz: When did Аriаdnе write?Jun 26 22:34
schestowitzwrite what?Jun 26 22:34
schestowitzand I see you dodged notificationsJun 26 22:34
schestowitzyou can always check 26 22:39
schestowitzoh, I see what you meanJun 26 22:39
schestowitzI highlighted the wrong personJun 26 22:39
schestowitzAdmFubar: Jun 26 22:39
schestowitzit auto-completed, my bad...Jun 26 22:39
schestowitz 26 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 26 22:43
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XRevan86schestowitz: Oh, ye noticed? heheJun 26 22:52
XRevan86Yea, she doesn't like to be casted over nothing, but I have two keyboard layouts, so it's easy to arrangeJun 26 22:52
schestowitzshuffling around kde settingsJun 26 23:24
schestowitzplasma icons etc.Jun 26 23:24
schestowitzit drives xorg nuts, tons of RAM takenJun 26 23:24
schestowitzbut it is being redeemed now, over time... now sure what that works like thatJun 26 23:24
cubexyz/fnEnd of 32-bit support on win11, not that the people here need to worryJun 26 23:57
cubexyz/fnalso the PS/2 subsystem sometimes is not working on win10Jun 26 23:58
cubexyz/fnI come across this sometimes doing computer consultingJun 26 23:59
schestowitzvista11 is just vapourwareJun 26 23:59
schestowitzno need to even discuss itJun 26 23:59
schestowitzI am uploading a video about this atmJun 26 23:59
cubexyz/fnokJun 26 23:59
schestowitzit's what they want...Jun 26 23:59

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