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schestowitz__a lot of development is coordinated and communities built in this network, so we need to protect it. May 20 00:00
baronhk[m]1schestowitz__: Now Hyundai is advertising that they have a "sonic baby detector" in their cars to alert you if you're about to leave a child in the car. WTF.May 20 00:01
techrights-bot#SoftwarePatents = #FakePatents and #PTAB will likely throw this one out: "patent generally relates to a database that is able to search, sort, and display" #swpatsMay 20 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | $2,000 for Relevant Holdings prior art — Unified PatentsMay 20 00:02
baronhk[m]1Who has a child with them and "forgets" and leaves the child in the car?May 20 00:02
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techrights-bot#Dolby is already blackmailing #gnu #linux distro developers using #swpats so it's good to see its #fakepatents coming under challenge see 20 00:03
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schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: one in a million or moreMay 20 00:03
schestowitz__let's put a billion spying devices in cars to save one babyMay 20 00:03
schestowitz__the whole "put microphones connected to GAFAM" everywhere in the house for your "health",  "safety" and "fitness" gimmickMay 20 00:04
schestowitz__ 20 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vaccine platforms and limited global production capacity: what is to be done? - The IPKatMay 20 00:04
schestowitz__"Thanks for your response, but my message was about going beyond 'IP solutions' and promoting/funding R&D in developing countries. I agree with compulsory licensing, but actually meaningful technology transfer is needed, for example in exchange for access to developing country markets by pharma. We are in a very serious crisis that also provides the opportunities for meaningful structural changes which will help with future pandemicsMay 20 00:04
schestowitz__ IP solutions are a distraction because we all know they won't provide vaccines to the developing world. We need to help the developing world a lot more than that."May 20 00:04
schestowitz__"IP solutions" LOLMay 20 00:05
schestowitz__I've nothing against Internet ProtocolMay 20 00:05
baronhk[m]1Most people who leave a baby in a hot car are some kind of degenerate asshole out between prison stints.May 20 00:05
baronhk[m]1So I doubt this "feature" does any real good.May 20 00:05
schestowitz__if You LOVE YOUR BABY, YOUWillBuyThis!! (TM)May 20 00:06
schestowitz__lots of companies shoehorn bad things by hijacking popular causesMay 20 00:06
schestowitz__or by concern-trollingMay 20 00:06
schestowitz__like censoring communitiesMay 20 00:06
schestowitz__to make them "more welcoming"May 20 00:06
rasenganschestowitz__: I agree entirely.May 20 00:06
schestowitz__by means nobody even spoke aboutMay 20 00:06
schestowitz__like removing the term "lame"May 20 00:07
schestowitz__rasengan: I'm no friend of rich people, but I think you're being misunderstood in this contextMay 20 00:07
schestowitz__maybe it was handles poorly on the communications sideMay 20 00:07
rasenganschestowitz__: I appreciate your efforts in helping to bring up issues on your website, and look forward to engaging with you and the rest of the community to help develop the proper structure to carry freenode to the future.May 20 00:07
schestowitz__PIA is the only VPN I trustMay 20 00:07
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1 uses itMay 20 00:08
schestowitz__rasengan: have you spoken to #fsf and #gnu also?May 20 00:08
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schestowitz__their words in support of staying on freenode would go a long wayMay 20 00:08
CrystalMathschestowitz__: ##slackware is stayingMay 20 00:09
schestowitz__goodMay 20 00:09
schestowitz__we don't need to rock the boatMay 20 00:09
schestowitz__until there's some very very bad faith move by rasenganMay 20 00:09
rasenganI think there was definitely poor communication.  I apologize for that.  I've not yet spoken to anyone in those groups, but with respect and honor to the organizations, there were issues that arose there as well that I don't particularly have any of my own opinion on since I don't have enough information, but I want to make sure we structure thisMay 20 00:09
rasenganright for everyone and fully understand what we're doing to avoid anything like what's happening here or what happened there.May 20 00:09
schestowitz__most of us just want to get on with work, not hop between networksMay 20 00:09
rasenganI thought you meant in terms of sorting the governance of freenode, I apologize.May 20 00:09
lockeanarchistmaybe the best way is calling people from fsf/distros to be staff hereMay 20 00:10
schestowitz__that can help improve confidenceMay 20 00:10
schestowitz__that might help, tooMay 20 00:10
rasenganWith respect to channels and groups, I actually hope that everyone simply makes their own opinion and call based on what best suits their situation - be it to stay on freenode, move to another IRC Network, or even adopt a self-hosted, FOSS, in house platform of some kind.May 20 00:10
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schestowitz__people and names we can recogniseMay 20 00:10
lockeanarchistArch Linux is undecided yetMay 20 00:10
rasenganlockeanarchist I agree.May 20 00:10
schestowitz__lockeanarchist: they're busying coding/hackingMay 20 00:11
rasenganSomething that I've prepared as a proposal but haven't yet presented it publicly as I have (from former freenode staffers and others) received mixed input (positive and negative).May 20 00:11
schestowitz__afaik, the only 'bad' thing rasengan did was takeover of the domain or whatnotMay 20 00:11
schestowitz__without properly explaining the intentionsMay 20 00:11
schestowitz__what are the operating costs of freenode, aside from staff/HR?May 20 00:11
schestowitz__10,000 dollars  a month?May 20 00:12
CrystalMathReactOS remains primarily on mattermost but remains bridged to freenodeMay 20 00:12
schestowitz__I assume there's also the repair aspectMay 20 00:12
schestowitz__but you already have DCs full of iron for PIA all around the worldMay 20 00:12
schestowitz__IRC has low footprint on the server sideMay 20 00:12
rasenganEssentially, as I understood it, aside from certain aspects that are more difficult to decentralize, what I'm interested in to see is if the community is interested in a different model more akin to EFnet (e.g., if Arch Linux links a server like, then the server remains that and people will eventually connect via that).  Thus ifMay 20 00:12
rasenganthey feel, in the future, that freenode is failing them, they can simply delink/relink elsewhere or stand-alone.May 20 00:12
lockeanarchistrasengan: You guys need to talk with Ubuntu/Arch/FSF ops fast, try to get together a council proposal etc idkMay 20 00:13
rasenganThis would essentially cause the domain '' to become less important overtime and give rise to a truly decentralized IRC network.May 20 00:13
lockeanarchistif this ambivalence persists Freenode will bleed fastMay 20 00:13
schestowitz__IRC isn't built to be decentralisedMay 20 00:13
schestowitz__because of the nature of roomsMay 20 00:13
rasenganThat's true - let's call it, less centralized.May 20 00:13
schestowitz__I hardly of a true/pure delinked from central point chat clientsMay 20 00:14
XRevan86More like… XMPP?May 20 00:14
schestowitz__xmpp has a serverMay 20 00:14
schestowitz__you can self-host, sureMay 20 00:14
schestowitz__with openfire is what/how we did itMay 20 00:14
XRevan86Which is not the same as the MUC server.May 20 00:14
cow_2001nobody self hostsMay 20 00:14
cow_2001almost nobodyMay 20 00:14
CrystalMathrasengan: i think that's a great idea actually!May 20 00:14
XRevan86Oh hey, a user of OpenFire, how weird.May 20 00:14
schestowitz__it's problematgicMay 20 00:14
schestowitz__for MANY reasonsMay 20 00:14
schestowitz__(self-hosting IRC)May 20 00:14
superkuhThe IRC community isn't interested in change. The IRC community wants stability.May 20 00:14
schestowitz__yes!May 20 00:15
schestowitz__PIA has many serversMay 20 00:15
superkuhPeople who want change are using discord/slack/etc already.May 20 00:15
schestowitz__and needs people who can operate the IRC daemons or whatnotMay 20 00:15
schestowitz__if PIA wants a business model, it can try to offer VPN "added value"May 20 00:16
schestowitz__like anonymous IRC access packagesMay 20 00:16
schestowitz__which I don't think would be unethicalMay 20 00:16
schestowitz__I get some leaks from sources over IRCMay 20 00:16
rasenganI don't think that changing the nomenclature on the IRC network will cause too much issue since the original irc.freenode and chat.freenode would still round robin.May 20 00:16
schestowitz__anonymity isn't a think, but we can work towards that, to replace "document drops"May 20 00:17
schestowitz__I don't think the domain is the issueMay 20 00:17
XRevan86superkuh: And then Discord just arbitrarily blocks them.May 20 00:17
schestowitz__it's whether people trust the domain ownerMay 20 00:17
schestowitz__I am working on a long article about freenodeMay 20 00:17
XRevan86but one person is not important, so the world moves onMay 20 00:17
schestowitz__but need to get more facts right, the prior ones were very hasty and rushed due to panicMay 20 00:18
schestowitz__XRevan86: we can all agree those proprietary systems are obsolete to usMay 20 00:18
schestowitz__we move in a different direction, different goalsMay 20 00:18
rasenganschestowitz__: I agree, re the trust.  That said, to cause someone to trust a single domain and domain owner is a bit much.  That trust could be spread across many different domains, hosted by projects who choose to exist here.May 20 00:18
schestowitz__rasengan: +1May 20 00:19
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techrights-botNowadays, #uspto grants #patents on everything that moves, even mere thoughts. It's a joke. Let's get back to #patent sanity, shall we? 20 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O… 20 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O… 20 00:20
schestowitz__rasengan: is Shells run by your brother?May 20 00:20
superkuhYou say that as you tear the entire community apart using your legal shell games to deny involvement on technicalities. But I don't care what legal fictions you hide behind. It's you. Some future panacea of perfectly federated IRC is irrelevant to what you are doing now.May 20 00:21
rasenganschestowitz__: YesMay 20 00:21
schestowitz__cool.May 20 00:21
schestowitz__superkuh: mind you, running the network costs moneyMay 20 00:21
schestowitz__that's the reality of itMay 20 00:22
schestowitz__so he's walking as tight rope here...May 20 00:22
schestowitz__for us the 'lazy' geeks what matters is that freenode is "just there..."May 20 00:22
superkuhNow imagine if it were Bill Gates (or any suitable rich person) providing the funding hands off, then, taking control despite saying he wouldn't. Would you respond the same way?May 20 00:25
schestowitz__that's a straw manMay 20 00:26
schestowitz__being rich is not a sinMay 20 00:26
schestowitz__esp. if inherited etc.May 20 00:26
superkuhCertainly not.May 20 00:26
schestowitz__billionaires are rarely good peopleMay 20 00:27
schestowitz__if they were, they would likely not get THAT wealthyMay 20 00:27
schestowitz__so comparing sociopaths to rasengan seems unfairMay 20 00:27
superkuhBut you seem willing to ignore a lot because "the network costs money".May 20 00:27
schestowitz__I saw no evidence of him being ill-spiritedMay 20 00:27
superkuhWell, he literally denied being behind handshake to me in a hackernews thread.May 20 00:27
superkuhLegal shell games.May 20 00:28
schestowitz__if he is handshake or "pi" fund, then that's goodMay 20 00:28
schestowitz__they helped some decent projectsMay 20 00:28
superkuhIt's a cryptocurrency he shilled on freenode and gave away to freenode members to get it going.May 20 00:28
superkuhIt's one he is on the leadership of.May 20 00:28
rasengansuperkuh: I didn't deny that at all to be clear.May 20 00:29
superkuh 20 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | More London Trust Media Holdings corporate moves to try to monetize the FOSS pro... | Hacker NewsMay 20 00:29
superkuhLets let the text show.May 20 00:29
rasenganAs for the 'shill', I think that is a gross misinterpretation of what Handshake is.May 20 00:29
schestowitz__Handshake is a GoodThing (TM)May 20 00:30
schestowitz__afaikMay 20 00:30
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schestowitz__if he's being Handshake, GOODMay 20 00:30
schestowitz__he or Mr. KimMay 20 00:30
superkuhYeah, I like the idea. I'm a user of namecoin. I even tried out handshake.May 20 00:30
MinceRhandshake is what you get when you stick your hand into a running blender that's full of milk?May 20 00:31
CrystalMathschestowitz__: i don't know, i heard these became less popular since 2020 :PMay 20 00:31
CrystalMath(get it? because handshakes, and covid)May 20 00:32
schestowitz__oops, I means "behind"May 20 00:32
CrystalMath(it's a joke)May 20 00:32
schestowitz__I'm just preparing Daily Links nowMay 20 00:33
schestowitz__I've put aside all the freenode linksMay 20 00:33
schestowitz__about 15 from todayMay 20 00:33
schestowitz__I need to study them later and form an assessment, maybe this weekendMay 20 00:33
cow_2001 /iset freenodeMay 20 00:33
cow_2001errMay 20 00:33
cow_2001oopsMay 20 00:33
schestowitz__BTW, what's with Sweden?May 20 00:34
schestowitz__Do people assume it's good place for hosting?May 20 00:34
schestowitz__In 2021?May 20 00:34
schestowitz__EU/Sweden are not free speech-friendlyMay 20 00:34
schestowitz__Iceland is betterMay 20 00:34
schestowitz__Sweden was maybe OK when Wikileaks hosted there over a decade backMay 20 00:35
schestowitz__when people say 'we host from sweden" I'm suspiciousMay 20 00:35
schestowitz__like people who use Switzerland as a badge of ethicsMay 20 00:36
baronhk[m]1schestowitz__: I'd just buy everything I would ever want and save a few million for myself and give all the rest away to things I cared about.May 20 00:36
schestowitz__it's where many thieves avoid paying tax or hide illegal moneyMay 20 00:36
baronhk[m]1People have no real need of $100 billion.May 20 00:36
schestowitz__rightMay 20 00:36
schestowitz__but it's an ego gameMay 20 00:36
baronhk[m]1After several million, you'll definitely have everything you'll ever need or want.May 20 00:36
schestowitz__compensating for lack of other thingMay 20 00:36
schestowitz__it becomes a sickness reinforces by who they hang out with and compete withMay 20 00:36
baronhk[m]1I couldn't see myself as anything more than an eccentric millionaire. May 20 00:37
schestowitz__my salary is about 25k a year and it's enough to keep me happy and healthMay 20 00:37
schestowitz__*healthy (we have NHS)May 20 00:37
MinceRbaronhk[m]1: i doubt itMay 20 00:37
MinceRcan you get a proper army for $100 billion?May 20 00:37
baronhk[m]1Even with double or triple that here, you would be far from comfortable.May 20 00:38
baronhk[m]1The government would make sure of that with all of their dirty health insurance laws.May 20 00:38
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schestowitz__MinceR: mind you, many of these people are very oldMay 20 00:39
schestowitz__(ageism blah blah)May 20 00:39
schestowitz__they won't have much time or capacity to enjoy that moneyMay 20 00:39
baronhk[m]1Oddly, ACA premium supports don't count against you, so as long as you watch that your income doesn't go too high, you can be an immigrant and on a subsidized health insurance plan and they can't say anything about it.May 20 00:39
schestowitz__either physical limitation of lack of timeMay 20 00:39
schestowitz__*orMay 20 00:39
baronhk[m]1But Medicaid counts against you if you're an immigrant, even though it costs the government about $4,600 per Medicaid beneficiary per year vs. possibly $7,000-$8,000 in ACA credits.May 20 00:40
baronhk[m]1So enrolling in something that costs the government twice as much is the way to go if you're a low income immigrant in need of insurance.May 20 00:40
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schestowitz__[09:06] <schestowitz__> baronhk[m]1: 20 00:45
schestowitz__good times, eh?May 20 00:45
schestowitz__much changed sinceMay 20 00:46
schestowitz__now they tell almost billions of devices with linux (gplv2)May 20 00:46
schestowitz__brb coffeeMay 20 00:46
schestowitz__rasengan: just inMay 20 00:51
schestowitz__ 20 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode IRC and Gentoo – Gentoo LinuxMay 20 00:51
schestowitz__"We are aware of the situation surrounding Freenode ownership and / or administration (1, 2, 3, 4) and are watching current developments closely. So far no decision on Gentoo involvement has been taken. Please check this page for future updates."May 20 00:51
schestowitz__need to hurry]May 20 00:51
schestowitz__maybe go speak to them in #gentooMay 20 00:52
baronhk[m]1<schestowitz__ "good times, eh?"> The years have not been kind.May 20 00:52
baronhk[m]1But what else is new?May 20 00:52
schestowitz__I'd rather not see freenode falling apartMay 20 00:52
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: less hair :0-)May 20 00:52
rasenganschestowitz__: Currently, tomaw and I have been working on a joint announcement.  It's really late where he's at so he's sleeping right now.May 20 00:52
schestowitz__makes senseMay 20 00:52
XRevan86rasengan: Ye've seen this of course?May 20 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | · GitHubMay 20 00:53
schestowitz__anyway, I am watching the situation, monitoring for any misconceptionsMay 20 00:53
schestowitz__this reminds me of 20 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS.May 20 00:54
schestowitz__1) it's on githubMay 20 00:54
schestowitz__2) they go for quantitiesMay 20 00:54
MinceR 20 00:55
XRevan86 this is also on githubMay 20 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Letter to freenode · GitHubMay 20 00:55
schestowitz__3) we hear one side of it onlyMay 20 00:55
XRevan86these two pastes are what an OpenNET (Russian) article on the topic links toMay 20 00:55
XRevan86MinceR: This is gold.May 20 00:56
schestowitz__XRevan86: I will link to thatMay 20 00:58
schestowitz__this is the sort of counter-argument more people need to at least seeMay 20 00:58
XRevan86I linked to both in another channel.May 20 00:58
XRevan86Still figuring out the situation.May 20 00:58
schestowitz__I am guessing some people compared Lee to Trump because of the lowercase "real"May 20 00:59
schestowitz__though I doubt he'd support those sorts of politicsMay 20 00:59
schestowitz__people tried calling me Trump tooMay 20 00:59
schestowitz__just cheap tactics that misleadMay 20 00:59
XRevan86schestowitz__: Ye read the comments or something?May 20 01:00
schestowitz__might be of relevance to rasengan 20 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Practice of Ritual Defamation (Relevant to Cancel Mobs) | TechrightsMay 20 01:00
schestowitz__XRevan86: the comments are shitMay 20 01:01
schestowitz__comments are USUALLY pure shitMay 20 01:01
XRevan86schestowitz__: They really are.May 20 01:01
schestowitz__I read the first half a dozen and gave upMay 20 01:02
schestowitz__Techrigths doesn't bother much with commentsMay 20 01:02
schestowitz__and I don't waste much effort on social control mediaMay 20 01:02
schestowitz__GitHub is social control mediaMay 20 01:02
schestowitz__a bunch of "randoms" spewing hateMay 20 01:02
XRevan86Anyway, both sides accuse each other of hostile take-over.May 20 01:03
schestowitz__even people who are already preconditioned to oppose  you, so it amplifies polarityMay 20 01:03
schestowitz__I have read more commentsMay 20 01:03
schestowitz__further down it's pure shitpostingMay 20 01:03
schestowitz__and short spews May 20 01:04
schestowitz__even our IRC channel is more tame, albeit informalMay 20 01:04
schestowitz__anyway... seems like a ritual mobMay 20 01:04
schestowitz__and I see people referring to Lee as "Korean" though he's AmericanMay 20 01:04
schestowitz__imagine them calling some British-born people "Indian"May 20 01:04
schestowitz__So that's some tribalism right thereMay 20 01:05
superkuhAnd concentrating on that aspect rather than the corporate and legal take-over is bike shedding.May 20 01:05
superkuhI intrinsically trust human people more than corporations.May 20 01:05
XRevan86One point of the opposition is that the rasengan's company doesn't have any claim on Freenode whatsoever as even the domain names being in its control is a historical misunderstanding, so it wasn't his call to begin with.May 20 01:05
MinceRi don't trust those "human people" that muchMay 20 01:06
schestowitz__that's a form of veiled racism by the wayMay 20 01:06
schestowitz__the "yellow peril" typeMay 20 01:06
MinceRespecially the ones that signed the anti-RMS letterMay 20 01:06
XRevan86rasengan meanwhile says that he does own Freenode, and did all sorts of things for the network's proliferation.May 20 01:06
schestowitz__MinceR: yeah, depends on the humanMay 20 01:06
schestowitz__XRevan86: he has owned it for a long timeMay 20 01:07
superkuhI don't think anyone is denying all the help he's given the network. But ownership and money does not make right.May 20 01:07
schestowitz__many people just didn't knowMay 20 01:07
schestowitz__I knew since the startMay 20 01:07
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schestowitz__superkuh: fair pointMay 20 01:07
superkuhI did. There was an upset back then. But most, and myself included, were calmed when we were informed that the servers weren't owned by the LLC.May 20 01:07
schestowitz__typical scenario with VCsMay 20 01:07
schestowitz__they give moneyMay 20 01:07
schestowitz__then they own the recipientMay 20 01:07
superkuhAnd that the LLC wouldn't interfere with the network.May 20 01:07
XRevan86schestowitz__: The opposition point is that Freenode Ltd. != FreenodeMay 20 01:07
schestowitz__then they fire the founder etc.May 20 01:07
superkuhBut it turns out that was a lie.May 20 01:07
superkuhOr, a very, very very bad miscommunication equal to a lie.May 20 01:08
superkuhI recall many channels making plans to move to other networks then.May 20 01:08
superkuhIf this happened.May 20 01:08
XRevan86> Tomaw turns around and asks me a bunch of questions if I'm going to challenge his control. He also says he understands I am the owner.May 20 01:08
XRevan86But this implies a different story.May 20 01:09
schestowitz__who owns that other network, which they say is based in Sweden but isn't run by Swedish people?May 20 01:09
schestowitz__(not going to call it a ShellsGame)May 20 01:09
schestowitz__like MinceR said, don't trust people eitherMay 20 01:09
schestowitz__depends on the peopleMay 20 01:09
XRevan86"don't trust people either"May 20 01:09
*XRevan86 looks at uBlock.May 20 01:09
schestowitz__SoylentNews kicked people out when they were asleepMay 20 01:10
schestowitz__I see the same hereMay 20 01:10
schestowitz__XRevan86: friends don't trust friends :-)May 20 01:10
XRevan86Man is a wolf to man?May 20 01:10
schestowitz__Man is a 'wolf' to wolvesMay 20 01:11
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techrights-bot#ptab #fakepatents #uspto "Apple and Qualcomm have a license deal, and Apple has licensed the patent at issue (along with at least 20,000 other patents)."May 20 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | En Banc on Standing for IPR Challenge Appeals | Patently-OMay 20 01:18
techrights-bot" #Ireland will oppose much of the European Commission’s plan for a more unified corporate tax regime across the bloc and believes it will be joined by many other sceptical member states, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said on Wednesday." Trying to be a corporate Switzerland and assist robber barons. 20 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ireland opposes much of EU corporate tax plan - minister | ReutersMay 20 01:19
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techrights-botThis is hardly a clash but an echo chamber of #patent zealots, who also fund this "podcast" to get their talking points across. Except KEI. #patents #monopolies #greedMay 20 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Podcast: Pharma insiders clash over COVID IP waiver | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 20 01:23
XRevan86 oh hey, it's aliveMay 20 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Release GloDroid v0.6.1 · GloDroid/glodroid_manifest · GitHubMay 20 01:23
techrights-bot#SoftwarePatents and other #fakePatents will almost always be thrown out by #ptab if the petition is admitted #swpatsMay 20 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DigiMedia Tech patent determined to be likely invalid — Unified PatentsMay 20 01:24
XRevan86MinceR: ^May 20 01:24
schestowitz__XRevan86: maybe in the wrong platformMay 20 01:24
XRevan86schestowitz__: No control over that.May 20 01:24
XRevan86I can only bring the news ¯\_(ツ)_/¯May 20 01:25
schestowitz__while it lastsMay 20 01:25
schestowitz__github will be offline one dayMay 20 01:25
schestowitz__maybe not before tooooooo longMay 20 01:25
MinceRXRevan86: niceMay 20 01:25
schestowitz__hopefullyMay 20 01:25
schestowitz__and the project won't have a say on itMay 20 01:25
MinceRtoo bad google seems to be on the way to lock android down even furtherMay 20 01:26
schestowitz__Remember freshmeat, google code, codeplex etc.May 20 01:26
MinceRapparently they'll fuck up the way applications access storage yet againMay 20 01:26
XRevan86What's new under the sun?May 20 01:26
MinceRalready the only file manager i have that's fully functional on android is the one that shipped with the phoneMay 20 01:26
XRevan86MinceR: Material Files?May 20 01:27
techrights-botMax Walters as a megaphone for aggressive law firms that pay his salary, calling on China to join their ridiculous regime of preliminary injunctions, presumed guilt, no due process etc. 20 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lawyers: Chinese courts should ‘seriously encourage’ PIs | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 20 01:27
XRevan86schestowitz__: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯May 20 01:28
schestowitz__clownFilesMay 20 01:28
schestowitz__Google helps youMay 20 01:28
schestowitz__by backing that up for youMay 20 01:28
MinceRXRevan86: i think it's some LG-specific applicationMay 20 01:28
MinceR"File Manager"May 20 01:29
schestowitz__LG still does AndroidMay 20 01:29
schestowitz__?May 20 01:29
XRevan86MinceR: It's a recommendation: 20 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Material Files | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App RepositoryMay 20 01:29
XRevan86schestowitz__: Nay.May 20 01:29
schestowitz__afaik, they will imminently quit the marketMay 20 01:29
schestowitz__and have said that for yearsMay 20 01:29
MinceRXRevan86: oh.May 20 01:29
schestowitz__they want to focus better on fridges with microphones on them :-)May 20 01:30
schestowitz__and webosMay 20 01:30
schestowitz__aka. palm OSMay 20 01:30
schestowitz__among other namesMay 20 01:30
MinceRschestowitz__: sadly, they stopped making phonesMay 20 01:30
schestowitz__I forgot another incarnation of it after/before HOMay 20 01:30
schestowitz__HPMay 20 01:30
MinceRthere probably won't be another android phone as good as this LG V50May 20 01:30
schestowitz__are they profitable at all?May 20 01:31
schestowitz__samsung is far biggerMay 20 01:31
schestowitz__htc also had trouble with phones, blamed marketingMay 20 01:31
MinceRprobably notMay 20 01:31
MinceRsamsung went to shitMay 20 01:31
MinceRhtc had trouble implementing a headset jack that worked properlyMay 20 01:32
techrights-botYet another nonsensical buzzword "HealthTech", as prelude to patenting agenda even in areas that must not be patented, sometimes for ethical considerations see 20 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why HealthTech Founders Should Patent Their Technology - TechRoundMay 20 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | TechrightsMay 20 01:33
techrights-bot"Written by Esmé Swindells – #Patent Attorney at Potter Clarkson LLP", so basically "Tech"Round has been reduced to misleading and shameless marketing spam for a bunch of lawyers and attorneys, disguised as "news".May 20 01:34
XRevan86I haven't seen a Samsung phone since… 2013 maybe.May 20 01:35
schestowitz__I've not has a mobile phoneMay 20 01:35
XRevan86and I've seen a bloody LumiaMay 20 01:35
schestowitz__I remember having a motorola until maybe 2003May 20 01:35
schestowitz__it was hugeMay 20 01:35
schestowitz__it was like 1995 techMay 20 01:35
schestowitz__my dad wanted to be able to contact meMay 20 01:36
XRevan86The owner even said something like caring about longer support than for an Android phone.May 20 01:36
XRevan86I made a prediction to him referencing what happened to WP7May 20 01:36
schestowitz__some say Android is the issueMay 20 01:36
XRevan86it's nice to be rightMay 20 01:37
schestowitz__I go further and say phone is the issue (mobile)May 20 01:37
schestowitz__their location precision improved a lot, and that's not a plusMay 20 01:37
MinceRi used a company-owned samsung galaxy s9, and i don't miss it at allMay 20 01:37
XRevan86schestowitz__: I'm talking about Windows Phone/Mobile vs. Android.May 20 01:37
MinceRthey bent the display so far it would become unresponsive to tapsMay 20 01:37
XRevan86the year 2018 or somethingMay 20 01:37
*schestowitz__ taps the mouse buttons and moves the thing aroundMay 20 01:38
*schestowitz__ does not have a stylus for finger, need pencil sharpener for 'meat'May 20 01:38
techrights-bot#SoftwarePatent at #epo #swpatsMay 20 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Translation Of A Natural Language Into An Abstract Language: Non-Technical - Intellectual Property - GermanyMay 20 01:39
XRevan86I told a person that Microsoft will screw them over and their "smartphone" will become more useless than an instantly obsoleted Chinese Android phone.May 20 01:40
XRevan86"Chinese" as in a small Chinese brandMay 20 01:40
XRevan86not like Honor or somethingMay 20 01:40
schestowitz__all phones are chinese May 20 01:40
schestowitz__almost allMay 20 01:40
XRevan86yea, I had to make that clarificationMay 20 01:41
schestowitz__lg, samsung and lg might be taipei and seoul based, but manufacturing is in china May 20 01:41
schestowitz__so let's distinguish brands from originsMay 20 01:41
schestowitz__or designsMay 20 01:41
MinceRmy LG V50 was made in koreaMay 20 01:41
MinceRbut they aren't making any moreMay 20 01:41
schestowitz__apple is a 'chinese' company, mostly..May 20 01:41
schestowitz__their "AYE PEE" is in the USMay 20 01:41
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schestowitz__hi, tr_guest|39786May 20 01:42
schestowitz__MinceR: some Nokia phones were made in FinlandMay 20 01:42
schestowitz__raspi is still made in uk, maybe wales, iircMay 20 01:42
schestowitz__but it phones TrumplandMay 20 01:42
schestowitz__RedmondMay 20 01:42
XRevan86s/Nokia/Jolla/May 20 01:43
XRevan86fixed that for youMay 20 01:43
MinceRafaik the current nokia mobile has nothing to do with the one microsoft bought and buriedMay 20 01:43
XRevan86MinceR: The one made by Foxconn?May 20 01:43
MinceRthe one made by HMD Global, i guessMay 20 01:44
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MinceRif you mean the current oneMay 20 01:44
MinceRi don't know who made the old onesMay 20 01:44
XRevan86MinceR: Foxconn is manufacturing for them.May 20 01:46
MinceR:(May 20 01:46
techrights-bot#GNOMEFoundation moved on from being enveloped by companies that do not CARE about #freesw to shilling for those that actively ATTACK #softwareFreedom and they use the "G" in GNOME (GNU) to borrow credibility they do not deserve 20 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Foundation - TechrightsMay 20 01:46
XRevan86some earlier phones were also designed by Foxconn, don't know about the current dealMay 20 01:46
XRevan86 20 01:48
XRevan86One day the phone cameras will start triggering tripophobiaMay 20 01:48
schestowitz__I read that as tripod-phobiaMay 20 01:49
schestowitz__fear from stable footage :-)May 20 01:49
XRevan86hahMay 20 01:49
techrights-botDoes #JimZemlin speak for you? For us? 20 01:51
MinceR:)May 20 01:51
techrights-bot#ibm when it gave a damn about #gnu #linux "100% of the time" 20 01:51
XRevan86 "However, if your phone came preloaded with software, Please see PinePhone Updating Instructions" – that "if" reminded me of 20 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PinePhone Software Releases - PINE64May 20 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This $200 phone can do ANYTHING!!! - Pine64 Pinephone - YouTubeMay 20 01:52
MinceR 20 01:52
techrights-bot#google : we spy on billions of people every minute of the day, but we find YOU unusual and suspicious. I think that's projection TBH. 20 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Solve "Unusual Traffic from Your Network Computer" Google Error - Make Tech EasierMay 20 01:53
baronhk[m]1 20 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot faces backlash for only giving black and brown reporters interviews | Daily Mail OnlineMay 20 01:53
techrights-bot#apple became (or always was) such a #religion / #cult that its followers or worship gatherers are supposed to think that "working from home" for THEM is something UNIQUE. What a joke. 20 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best Mac Tips for Working from Home - Make Tech EasierMay 20 01:54
techrights-bot"The popular uprising against the #neoliberal #austerity measures and political repression of the Duque government in #Colombia entered its fourth week today with the National Strike Committee announcing a new round of #strikes and mass marches." 20 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Statement on Columbian Protests | Howie Hawkins for our FutureMay 20 01:56
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: a bit o-tMay 20 01:56
schestowitz__unless you want to start a whole fight over raceMay 20 01:57
schestowitz__XRevan86: those still are more expensive than some decent PCsMay 20 01:57
schestowitz__PCs that can do a lot moreMay 20 01:57
schestowitz__bar connecting to a network that tracks movementMay 20 01:57
schestowitz__in exchange for little but receiving calls on the goMay 20 01:58
techrights-bot#microsoft vs #android using #swpats #patent #blackmailMay 20 01:59
techrights-bot#rms against #swpats at the #epo #patents #europeMay 20 02:00
XRevan86schestowitz__: Who? Pinephones?May 20 02:00
schestowitz__pinephones are cheaperMay 20 02:00
schestowitz__but with patents and all not cheap enoughMay 20 02:00
schestowitz__those probably cost well under $50 to manufactureMay 20 02:00
schestowitz__but they take licensed componentsMay 20 02:00
schestowitz__that include lots of fees 'sorted'May 20 02:01
schestowitz__like DSPs and stuffMay 20 02:01
schestowitz__a pinephone still costs more than my main laptop didMay 20 02:01
schestowitz__and has a lot less in terms of capacity, ports etc.May 20 02:01
schestowitz__mine also comes with a large screenMay 20 02:02
schestowitz__1920px acrossMay 20 02:02
baronhk[m]1It's nice to see that while gunfire erupts and the bodies are piling up twice as fast under Lightfoot as they have under any mayor since the 70s, she's retreated to a "fort" with round the clock protection from CPD and only gives interviews to minorities who did not get her elected.May 20 02:02
schestowitz__phones don't need much more than 320px acrossMay 20 02:02
schestowitz__because you don't put them next to your eyesMay 20 02:02
baronhk[m]1It's all of these white guilt people like mjg59 who put her in and now they get to watch the shitshow unfold.May 20 02:02
schestowitz__but it's o-t anywayMay 20 02:02
MinceRi certainly need a lot more than 320px acrossMay 20 02:02
schestowitz__you take us in a direction that lets him dig dirtMay 20 02:03
MinceRi wouldn't be able to use my irc client on a screen so tinyMay 20 02:03
XRevan86schestowitz__: That is something only someone who hasn't used a touch-screen phone can say.May 20 02:03
schestowitz__MinceR: like a phineMay 20 02:03
schestowitz__*phoneMay 20 02:03
schestowitz__XRevan86: pinch to zoom can be done in low-res screensMay 20 02:03
schestowitz__they just don't manufacture such units anymoreMay 20 02:04
XRevan86MinceR: 320px is not about screen size necessarily, it could be about pixel density.May 20 02:04
schestowitz__dpiMay 20 02:04
MinceRwell, let's seeMay 20 02:04
MinceRan 8x8 font would be barely readableMay 20 02:04
schestowitz__I don't need 300 pixels on an inch acrossMay 20 02:04
MinceRthat leaves 40 columns and fewer rowsMay 20 02:04
schestowitz__I cannot even see thatMay 20 02:04
MinceRi doubt my advanced windowlist would fit on a terminal so tinyMay 20 02:04
schestowitz__like 200 fpsMay 20 02:04
MinceRoh, schestowitz__ meant dot pitch, not total resolutionMay 20 02:05
schestowitz__MinceR: on a phone?May 20 02:05
MinceRyesMay 20 02:05
schestowitz__5 inch?May 20 02:05
MinceRi'll look up pixel densitiesMay 20 02:05
schestowitz__some are crazyMay 20 02:06
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schestowitz__like those cameras that make 10MB 'photos'May 20 02:06
schestowitz__that are mostly blur if you zoom inMay 20 02:06
MinceRmost phone specs sites seem to be ignoring the pinephoneMay 20 02:07
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XRevan86MinceR: They know they can't compete with :)May 20 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PINEPHONE | PINE64May 20 02:07
techrights-botNeelie Kroes on #microsoft 20 02:08
MinceRthey would be able to compete with it, if they calculated pixels per inch or somethingMay 20 02:08
MinceRit's too late for me to try and calculate that correctlyMay 20 02:08
XRevan86271 DPIMay 20 02:08
MinceRwell, it's sufficient, but i could use moreMay 20 02:08
*XRevan86 imagines schestowitz__ audibly gasping when reading that.May 20 02:09
techrights-botEnlightenment 13 years ago, already better than #microsoft #windows #gnu #linuxMay 20 02:10
schestowitz__XRevan86: if you hold a phone half a meter away from the high, you cannot see much of itMay 20 02:10
schestowitz__imagine drawing lines between each of those pixels and the pupilMay 20 02:11
*XRevan86 doesn't know anyone highMay 20 02:11
schestowitz__the photons overlapMay 20 02:11
schestowitz__oopsMay 20 02:11
schestowitz__eyeMay 20 02:11
schestowitz__I was distractedMay 20 02:11
schestowitz__wrote how it soundedMay 20 02:11
MinceRi can hold it closer to the eye :>May 20 02:11
MinceRi often do :>May 20 02:11
XRevan86Those aren't even homophones… unless they are for you, oh.May 20 02:11
schestowitz__MinceR: then it's not so much of a phoneMay 20 02:12
schestowitz__it's just a telescope or microscope :-)May 20 02:12
MinceRi wish it was that tooMay 20 02:12
MinceRthough with macro photography, it can sometimes help see details :>May 20 02:12
XRevan86schestowitz__: Would ye spell it as "an high"?May 20 02:13
schestowitz__like binocularsMay 20 02:13
schestowitz__noMay 20 02:13
schestowitz__I was thinking of something else while typingMay 20 02:13
XRevan86I mean "a" vs. "an"May 20 02:13
techrights-bot#compiz nostalgia, 13 years ago #gnu #linuxMay 20 02:14
schestowitz__an eyeMay 20 02:14
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▃▂▃▅▅▃▃▃▃▄▅▃▃▆▆▃▁▂▆▃▂▃▄▁▁▃▅▆▁▂▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 17.41 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▄▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂█▃▁▂█▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 44.76▕ swarm size (avg): 224.54  ⟲May 20 02:15
schestowitz__e vowel, h notMay 20 02:15
XRevan86there are h-omitting accentsMay 20 02:15
XRevan86where "high" and "eye" would actually sound the same wayMay 20 02:16
techrights-bot#gnu turns 38 years this year. This is the 25th anniversary (I like the music) 20 02:16
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techrights-bot"The latest version of Wind River Titanium Linux, developed by the Wind River technology protection and cybersecurity group Star Lab, offers a robust Linux system-hardening and security capability" 20 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wind River's enhancements deliver cybersecurity and anti-tamper protection - Help Net SecurityMay 20 02:18
XRevan86After the timetagged point that ShortCircuit's PinePhone is absolutely beautiful, because the presenter has somehow managed to make all the wrong choices. Love it.May 20 02:20
techrights-bot#1Password is almost certainly paying the media, one way or another, for these #openwashing puff pieces painting #ProprietarySoftware as kind of "open" 20 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1Password Rolls Out Official Support and a Desktop App for Linux | PCMagMay 20 02:21
XRevan86Did he honestly expect to figure out the problem using an external keyboard? If ye have a USB hub and a keyboard, it doesn't mean that ye have to use it.May 20 02:24
techrights-botWhere is the #cancelGates petition at #microsoft #github h Where are those people who claim to care for justice? Attacking RMS? 20 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The World Loses Under Bill Gates’ Vaccine Colonialism | WIREDMay 20 02:24
XRevan86Maybe they didn't have a microSD card… any microSD card.May 20 02:25
XRevan8664M+May 20 02:25
XRevan86"I think probably what I'm going to have to do is flash an operating system onto an SD card"May 20 02:26
baronhk[m]1Wow, Wired published this?May 20 02:26
baronhk[m]1Open season on Bill Gates.May 20 02:26
techrights-botThe State Of #freeSW In #India ⇨ •●• Sadly, this ridiculous puff piece pretends that #ProprietarySoftware #github (i.e. #microsoft ) is like the father of everything. The opposite is true: 20 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The State Of Open-Source Ecosystem In IndiaMay 20 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMay 20 02:27
baronhk[m]1He's finally gone so far that no publicist in the world can save him now.May 20 02:27
XRevan86That's easy, plugging all that nonsense to phone and fruitlessly combing through the manual was harder.May 20 02:27
baronhk[m]1"Gates’ first foray began unexpectedly in 1999, on the heels of a failed Western crackdown on South Africa after it flouted AIDS medicine patents due to outrageous drug prices and a debilitating HIV outbreak."May 20 02:28
baronhk[m]1Yes, but the ANC is so fucking retarded that they actually put in active HIV/AIDS deniers.May 20 02:28
techrights-bot#LockHimUp 20 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New York attorney general says Trump probe is now criminalMay 20 02:28
baronhk[m]1Almost everyone in SA who is living with HIV/AIDS is black.May 20 02:28
baronhk[m]1While over a quarter of all SA citizens have it, only 0.3% of the white population has it.May 20 02:28
XRevan86baronhk[m]1: What's your point?May 20 02:29
baronhk[m]1So they want to distract from the fact that almost everyone who gets it is black by having a black president who denies it exists at all, and this as recently as a few years ago.May 20 02:29
baronhk[m]1More bullshit from a bullshit government who was smart enough to be terrorists but not enough to effectively govern a functioning country and have, in fact, brought one to its knees.May 20 02:30
baronhk[m]1The anti-white racism that brought down South Africa is playing out in Illinois too, especially Chicago, where the math is right to get someone like Lori Lightfoot.May 20 02:30
XRevan86them blacks and their aparthoodMay 20 02:31
baronhk[m]1Here though, it's mostly a LARGE WHITE MAJORITY that's just stupid enough to hand over the government and get a violent city that nobody wants to live in where everything is crumbling.May 20 02:31
XRevan86baronhk[m]1: I'm not an expert on South Africa but I thought that anti-white racism is by far not their first problem.May 20 02:32
baronhk[m]1It's a major problem. Brain drain, dude.May 20 02:32
baronhk[m]1Those who can get out are getting out.May 20 02:32
XRevan86where are they going? White Rus'?May 20 02:32
baronhk[m]1Those who had their property seized and banks still breathing down their necks are killing themselves, assuming the ANC-backed terrorists and criminals don't beat them to it.May 20 02:33
techrights-botThe guy from the #ibm "LINUX" commercial 20 02:33
baronhk[m]1Whites in SA are a holdover from Colonialism, but are not responsible for it, and ought to be afforded the rights of full citizenship, but they are not.May 20 02:34
baronhk[m]1They're lucky if they can own property and live, which is ironically the sort of apartheid that everyone in the world was sanctioning them for three decades ago when it was the other way around.May 20 02:34
baronhk[m]1Soon after the peaceful transition of power, the white minority was stripped of their rights, and now has their property seized and are unable to apply for jobs with the government or its contractors.May 20 02:35
baronhk[m]1So far, Lightfoot's overt anti-white racism has only gone so far as a complete lockout of white journalists who want to interview her, but it won't stop there.May 20 02:36
techrights-bot#debian #gnu #linux as notable mention 20 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Things to Consider About Your Plant Floor Data and IIoT | Automation WorldMay 20 02:36
baronhk[m]1She's one of those folks who isn't smart enough to realize who pays the taxes, until they all leave.May 20 02:36
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baronhk[m]1The parts of the city that overwhelmingly supported her can barely keep a hair salon or a McDonalds open.May 20 02:37
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baronhk[m]1The city puts parks there, but no parents let their kids out of the house to play in one because there'd be a drive-by shooting or something every day at any time.May 20 02:38
techrights-bot#linux support for 24 monitors way back 12 years ago. #hardware support in this #kernel remains the world's best. 20 02:38
baronhk[m]1I lived in South Chicago for an entire year, never once saw a child playing in the park the city built across the street.May 20 02:38
techrights-bot11 #GNULinux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 11 Linux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture | Tux MachinesMay 20 02:38
baronhk[m]1Nobody figured it was safe enough to go outside for a walk.May 20 02:38
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baronhk[m]1Control of those areas goes to people packing illegal guns that were never in the FOID system.May 20 02:39
baronhk[m]1Mostly people who are under 18, also, which is additionally illegal.May 20 02:39
baronhk[m]1Criminals don't follow the law. News flash!May 20 02:39
techrights-botRacist companies like #ibm merely coopted #blm for marketing see e.g. 20 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How corporations have made diversity changes in the wake of BLM protestsMay 20 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | TechrightsMay 20 02:39
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techrights-botHow #gnu #linux helps the #environment 20 02:40
baronhk[m]1You're not allowed to have a handgun if you're under 21, or a convicted felon, or the subject of a restraining order. That's all at the FEDERAL level, before the state even gets involved.May 20 02:40
baronhk[m]1So that all applies even in a red state.May 20 02:40
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baronhk[m]1Then, additionally, in Illinois, to legally buy, sell, or possess a gun or ammunition for one, you have to be in possession of a FOID card, which is a form of ID that is issued by the state police after they do their own background check, and they only issue them to people in compliance with everything I just mentioned and have not been deemed mentally ill to the point where they were voluntarily or involuntarilyMay 20 02:42
baronhk[m]1committed for psychiatric treatment within the last 5 years.May 20 02:42
baronhk[m]1So, how is it that every nasty little gangbanger in Chicago, from the time the training wheels come off their bicycle, has a handgun?May 20 02:43
baronhk[m]1We must need another law. :)May 20 02:43
baronhk[m]1If they get caught, Kimm Foxx either negotiates it down to nothing or drops the charges. They're back out to rape and rob again in under a day, often with no cash bail. Certainly after no cash bail when that becomes the law in two years.May 20 02:44
baronhk[m]1Anti-white racism just means if you're white and innocently forget to renew your FOID on time, watch your cornhole in prison, pal.May 20 02:45
techrights-botOld: #swpats in #nz and why the country rejected #softwarePatents more context: 20 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software Patents in New Zealand - TechrightsMay 20 02:45
schestowitz__rasengan: 20 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Developers Flee Open Source Project After ‘Takeover’ By Korean Crown PrinceMay 20 02:45
schestowitz__same publisher that rallies a mob against RMSMay 20 02:45
baronhk[m]1This is what people bashing Techrights and RMS are, and what I'm getting at.May 20 02:45
baronhk[m]1They condemn racism, but never against white people. May 20 02:46
baronhk[m]1So they're actually fine with racism, just as long as it's drumming white conservatives out of college, putting well meaning white gun owners in prison, and marching men off to domestic violence re-education camp because their wife went and tossed that into the divorce to help win custody and more money.May 20 02:47
superkuhEarlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link?May 20 02:47
baronhk[m]1That last one is actually not racist, it's just a general prejudice against men.May 20 02:47
baronhk[m]1The idea that men deserve to suffer because in the past they were presumably running things.May 20 02:47
schestowitz__is Christel Dahlskjaer connected to lilo?May 20 02:48
baronhk[m]1Wages didn't just fall flat in the developed world because of globalization.May 20 02:48
baronhk[m]1They fell flat around the time women really started to enter the workforce in droves.May 20 02:48
schestowitz__I am still trying to wrap my hand around history of network ownershipMay 20 02:49
baronhk[m]1More labor means lower wages, regardless of why.May 20 02:49
schestowitz__they pay people lessMay 20 02:50
baronhk[m]1If the culture went back to one earner and one person tends the house and raises the children, then wages would necessarily rise.May 20 02:50
schestowitz__so both people need to workMay 20 02:50
schestowitz__for the same household incomeMay 20 02:50
schestowitz__in the past, less need for nurseriesMay 20 02:50
schestowitz__the mother would look after the kidsMay 20 02:50
schestowitz__and now they wonder why many couples won't have kidsMay 20 02:50
baronhk[m]1It's a time and money problem.May 20 02:51
baronhk[m]1No matter how you solve it, you rob Peter to pay Paul, and people are wise to it now.May 20 02:51
techrights-bot'Free' as in free strings, not free OF strings. We need to explain #softwareFreedom to people so that they don't fall into 'free' bear traps like these. 20 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free software for small businesses: Mission Valley startup GoSite partners with EDC for giveaway - The San Diego Union-TribuneMay 20 02:52
baronhk[m]1There's not just a baby bust going on in the US, it's a population collapse that will leave us with a lot of old people with not much that came after them.May 20 02:53
baronhk[m]1If we don't turn on immigration or start making life livable for people who have kids, we're finished.May 20 02:53
schestowitz__that's BSMay 20 02:53
schestowitz__the "aging population" BSMay 20 02:53
baronhk[m]1People are angry at this $300 a month per child scheme of Biden's.May 20 02:54
schestowitz__they try to shame countries like japan, korea and singaporeMay 20 02:54
baronhk[m]1It's being viewed by most as immoral.May 20 02:54
schestowitz__which could benefit from lowering population densities anywayMay 20 02:54
schestowitz__in there's a labour shortage in care, they can bring some workers from abroadMay 20 02:54
baronhk[m]1A welfare state doesn't work when there's nobody paying in.May 20 02:54
schestowitz__anyway, it's off topicMay 20 02:54
baronhk[m]1So our problem isn't running out of space. It's no tax base.May 20 02:54
schestowitz__can you stop throwing us in this direction?May 20 02:55
schestowitz__OK, I've cleaned my RSS feedsMay 20 02:55
schestowitz__I think I can now work on some analytical article about freenode, gonna grab some coffee firstMay 20 02:55
kingoffrancewhats all this data ppl are worried about?   freenode has my ip, my username, and a one-time password not used anywhere elseMay 20 02:55
baronhk[m]1Well, I was getting somewhere with this.May 20 02:55
kingoffrancesure, like anything else, that could be "coordinated"May 20 02:56
baronhk[m]1What they're really concerned with is that people will see the Democrats throwing the money at people.May 20 02:56
MinceR20 034722 < superkuh> Earlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link?May 20 02:56
schestowitz__kingoffrance: yeah, never bothered me, I never assumed privacy in private IRC networksMay 20 02:56
kingoffrancebut where is the "data" people are worried about?May 20 02:56
XRevan86kingoffrance: And your email address?May 20 02:56
kingoffranceif i wanted to be hidden i would :)May 20 02:56
baronhk[m]1They didn't speak up when it was trillions going to tech companies who already deducted to less than zero tax.May 20 02:56
kingoffranceand ppl shouldnt blindly trust ips anywayMay 20 02:56
MinceRyou can get a list of staffers with /who freenode/staff/*May 20 02:56
MinceRyou might get a more complete list if you're on #freenode when you do itMay 20 02:57
MinceRsame thing works on libera, with libera instead of freenodeMay 20 02:57
schestowitz__[02:57] [Raw]  /who freenode/staff/*May 20 02:57
schestowitz__[02:57] [Error] /who: Unknown command.May 20 02:57
schestowitz__[02:57] [Who] rasengan is ~rasengan@freenode/staff/rasengan (rasengan)May 20 02:57
MinceROFTC lists their staff at 20 02:57
schestowitz__[02:57] [Who] End of /WHO list for freenode/staff/*May 20 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OFTC - StaffMay 20 02:57
schestowitz__only one?May 20 02:57
MinceRand you can find the signatories at 20 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.ioMay 20 02:57
schestowitz__OFTC censors I heard, as does freenodeMay 20 02:57
MinceRwell, maybe the others have left alreadyMay 20 02:57
MinceRor deoperedMay 20 02:57
schestowitz__probablyMay 20 02:57
kingoffranceXRevan86, sure, but even if that is more difficult nowadays, not like it is impossible to find some "free" email serviceMay 20 02:57
MinceRhm, so you might not have a listMay 20 02:58
schestowitz__understandable given this climateMay 20 02:58
MinceRi can pastebin what i got earlierMay 20 02:58
schestowitz__chance for mischiefMay 20 02:58
baronhk[m] doesn't censor. They aren't big enough to be on anyone's radar.May 20 02:58
schestowitz__they can go offline any time..May 20 02:58
superkuhMinceR, I would appreciate that if it is not too much trouble.May 20 02:59
schestowitz__like all the instances of fediverse stuff I was onMay 20 02:59
schestowitz__you choose a "Small(er)" space and then it just turns off the lightsMay 20 02:59
schestowitz__I got some emails from former adminsMay 20 03:00
baronhk[m]1Matrix dot org has become super sketchy about banning people.May 20 03:00
baronhk[m]1Also rooms.May 20 03:00
kingoffranceirc (freenode included) isnt making you plug in a usb "smart code" yet May 20 03:00
baronhk[m]1They got MUCH worse after Google agreed to let them back into the Play Store.May 20 03:00
kingoffrance*cardMay 20 03:00
kingoffrancethey only have what you give themMay 20 03:00
baronhk[m]1Google tossed Element out because it said "Formerly Riot IM".May 20 03:01
techrights-botDoes anyone remember Topaz in #gnu #linux h 2019: 20 03:01
baronhk[m]1Google said "referencing riots".May 20 03:01
baronhk[m]1Also, "lack of moderation".May 20 03:01
kingoffranceXRevan86, really i wish someone'd revive that :)May 20 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Invisible IRC ProjectMay 20 03:01
MinceRsuperkuh: 20 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hatebinMay 20 03:01
superkuhThank you.May 20 03:02
MinceRnpMay 20 03:02
baronhk[m]1So they have a bunch of SJW mods going in and deleting half their potential users because they don't want them there anyway.May 20 03:03
techrights-botThis list has been reduced to just one person. #freenodeMay 20 03:03
superkuhYeah, It looks like just nhandler.May 20 03:03
schestowitz__rasengan: why is tomaw not listed anymore?May 20 03:03
MinceRthere's also joseMay 20 03:03
superkuhI couldn't find jose on the letter.May 20 03:04
MinceRif you mean the ones signing the anti-RMS letterMay 20 03:04
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MinceRmaybe because of the accentMay 20 03:04
MinceRJosé Antonio Rey (Ubuntu Community Council, freenode Staff)May 20 03:04
MinceRnumber 1540May 20 03:04
schestowitz__is there any SUBSTANTIAL allegation against rasengan? I've seen low-quality allusions...May 20 03:04
schestowitz__ 20 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode changes owners, jose resigns as staff. | joseeantoniorMay 20 03:05
schestowitz__"I recently celebrated my 10-year anniversary of having an account in freenode. I have a lot of fond memories, met a lot of amazing people in that period of time."May 20 03:05
techrights-ipfsQmURPdsG2w9HFAAQw7x6jrfds2W6h2f6J8zQattoNsHp3KMay 20 03:05
schestowitz__"As a result, Mr Lee now has operational control over the freenode IRC network. I cannot stand by such a (hostile?) corporate takeover of the freenode network, and I am resigning as a staff volunteer along with most other freenode staff."May 20 03:05
schestowitz__Does this allude to adding a logo to the site for his bother's company (Shells) that sent in money? >> "We simply do not feel that the network now remains independent after two heads of staff appear to have been compelled to make changes to our git repo for the website[4]."May 20 03:06
schestowitz__if it all boils down to objection to adding a logo/plug to the site, then it's a low-quality grievanceMay 20 03:06
schestowitz__hardly a major scandalMay 20 03:06
schestowitz__IIRC, someone then tried to lock him out of the domainMay 20 03:07
schestowitz__so he then lawyered upMay 20 03:07
schestowitz__so there were admins using technical means against legal groundsMay 20 03:07
schestowitz__and was this all over a logo? Or more than this?May 20 03:07
schestowitz__I am writing about this in a moment, so any clarifications from rasengan or others would helpMay 20 03:08
*XRevan86 wants to know too.May 20 03:08
schestowitz__Shells does not interest meMay 20 03:08
schestowitz__but it's not maliciousMay 20 03:08
schestowitz__the intention is goodMay 20 03:08
schestowitz__I think the product sucks, personally...May 20 03:08
schestowitz__and they got many media plugs, maybe owing to moneyMay 20 03:08
schestowitz__afaik, Shells uses Free software but it's sort of "software substitute" (saas)May 20 03:09
schestowitz__bbiab, need coffee and to think about this, but I still don't know some key factsMay 20 03:09
XRevan86schestowitz__: Ye might want to ask around in #libera too, I suspect that they'll be more than happy to share their perspective.May 20 03:10
schestowitz__maybe I should upgrade the bot to also include gemini URLs for IRC logsMay 20 03:11
schestowitz__XRevan86: I will tryMay 20 03:11
XRevan86 "Around the time freenode Ltd announced their own “head of infrastructure” in #freenode, representatives of freenode Ltd messaged me and other staff personally demanding the hand over of access to any and all freenode infra."May 20 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode resignation | SwantzterMay 20 03:12
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XRevan86on how involved the take-over actually isMay 20 03:13
schestowitz__[03:12] <schestowitz__> hi, I am preparing a long article about the situation, I need clarificationsMay 20 03:16
schestowitz__[03:12] <schestowitz__> what were the changes requested for the freenode site/repo?May 20 03:16
schestowitz__[03:12] <ptx0> just so you know (i made the same mistake) this is freenode's #libera so the people you're wanting to ask, aren't hereMay 20 03:16
schestowitz__[03:12] <ptx0> probably forgot to hit ^X in irssiMay 20 03:16
schestowitz__[03:15] <schestowitz__> makes senseMay 20 03:16
XRevan86schestowitz__: Not on Freenode of course :)May 20 03:17
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schestowitz__yeahMay 20 03:17
schestowitz__well,May 20 03:17
schestowitz__that's one reason moving off freenode would cause issuesMay 20 03:17
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schestowitz__so better to reach some sort of amicable settlement, to avoid projects descending into chaos and miscommunicationMay 20 03:17
XRevan86schestowitz__: Ye don't have to register (at least yet anyway).May 20 03:18
schestowitz__ok..May 20 03:18
schestowitz__I will let you pass though a draft soonMay 20 03:19
schestowitz__to see if that makes senseMay 20 03:19
XRevan86schestowitz__: I'm not an expert on the situation for sure, albeit I am interested and maybe will know more later.May 20 03:19
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:22] <schestowitz__> readingMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] <schestowitz__> OK, so it really is PIAMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] <schestowitz__> someone told me this years agoMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes, me.May 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:25] <schestowitz__> it does not say if this is a privacy or a censorship issueMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__[07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:26] <schestowitz__> I was recently told they were censoring some users because of their Debian derivs being created 20 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | TechrightsMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__of noteMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__1) some staff are in anti-RMS letterMay 20 03:20
XRevan86schestowitz__: Also check it with superkuhMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__2) some freenode staff (not anymore) did politically or commercially motivated censorshipMay 20 03:20
schestowitz__so such stuff I am less sympathetic towards...May 20 03:21
schestowitz__*staffMay 20 03:21
XRevan86schestowitz__: Keep in mind that Ariadne is also in that letter. Different people have different motives.May 20 03:21
XRevan86Even if we both disagree.May 20 03:21
superkuhIt looked to me that nhandler was the only one. At least the only one I could find. But maybe I just couldn't ctrl-f right.May 20 03:21
schestowitz__XRevan86: she wants to be removed from the letterMay 20 03:22
schestowitz__but did not bother asking, becoming more visibleMay 20 03:22
XRevan86schestowitz__: Really? That's a change…May 20 03:23
schestowitz__22 days agoMay 20 03:23
schestowitz__Git statsMay 20 03:23
schestowitz__ 20 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.ioMay 20 03:23
schestowitz__no update in 3+ weeksMay 20 03:23
schestowitz__XRevan86: I think we helped convince herMay 20 03:24
MinceRschestowitz__: how do you know she wants to be removed?May 20 03:24
schestowitz__but it took some effortMay 20 03:24
XRevan86When I was asking her about the letter here she was very annoyed.May 20 03:24
schestowitz__MinceR: told me several timesMay 20 03:24
MinceRicMay 20 03:24
schestowitz__even days agoMay 20 03:24
XRevan86well, that's a nice changeMay 20 03:24
schestowitz__it then makes you more visible e.g. 20 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revert "add signature" by ehashman · Pull Request #2564 · rms-open-letter/ · GitHubMay 20 03:24
MinceRreverting makes you more visible?May 20 03:25
XRevan86schestowitz__: But my point stands even then, because how can ye cross-reference with the list if the list is untrustworthy?May 20 03:25
XRevan86MinceR: Yes, it does.May 20 03:25
XRevan86MinceR: Compare Fedilab and AndStatus.May 20 03:25
MinceRi'd say it's a good kind of visibilityMay 20 03:25
XRevan86MinceR: Both don't have a fediverse instance blacklistMay 20 03:25
MinceRbetter than just having signed it, anywayMay 20 03:25
XRevan86MinceR: But one is constantly being attacked and the other isn't.May 20 03:26
XRevan86MinceR: Guess the difference between them.May 20 03:26
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯May 20 03:27
XRevan86Fedilab added the blacklist and then soon reverted it.May 20 03:27
MinceRicMay 20 03:27
MinceRwell, it isn't possible to remove the signature without a commit that does so, if you don't have a time machine, is it?May 20 03:28
schestowitz__she told me, "i think andrew has good intentions, but who knows"May 20 03:28
schestowitz__remember:May 20 03:28
schestowitz__she wrote some of ircd or xMay 20 03:28
MinceRcharybdisMay 20 03:28
XRevan86MinceR: Correct.May 20 03:28
schestowitz__"May 20 03:30
schestowitz__8. Rather than wait until we speak again, Tomaw turns around andMay 20 03:30
schestowitz__changes up the staff and website.May 20 03:30
schestowitz__"May 20 03:30
schestowitz__ah, that explains why tomaw isn't listed as staff nowMay 20 03:30
XRevan86There's a road that's paved with good intentions.May 20 03:31
MinceRis it a highway?May 20 03:31
schestowitz__"May 20 03:31
schestowitz__Given the millions I have injected into freenode thus far, the factMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__I own it and the fact that I protected the freenode staff withMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__professional legal work and funding when they needed help and theyMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__could still lie and slander like this... says a lot about who theyMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__are. It saddens me that christel was forced out, and I wish she'dMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__feel safe returning. I'm frustrated that tomaw's hostile takeoverMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__seems likely to succeed, in spite of all. I simply want freenodeMay 20 03:31
XRevan86It leads to the Microsoft HQ, IIRC.May 20 03:31
schestowitz__to keep on being a great IRC network, and to support it financiallyMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__and legally as I have for a long time now.May 20 03:31
schestowitz__"May 20 03:31
MinceR:>May 20 03:31
schestowitz__sounds like cat-herdingMay 20 03:31
schestowitz__#MinceRWasRightMay 20 03:32
schestowitz__Humans... can't trust them eitherMay 20 03:32
schestowitz__let alone corporationsMay 20 03:32
schestowitz__I trust very few people with techrightsMay 20 03:33
schestowitz__FSF was always submerged from the insideMay 20 03:33
schestowitz__the anti-RMS cliqueMay 20 03:33
schestowitz__they got rid of itMay 20 03:33
XRevan86> Christel Dahlskjaer, the former head of Freenode's staff who transferred her interest in Freenode Limited to Lee, resigned in March. Dahlskjaer, with the help of Richard “RichiH” Hartmann, took over Freenode after project originator Rob Levin (lilo) died in a traffic accident in 2006 and Levin’s brother tried to turn the project into business. She was an employee of PIA at the time of the FreeMay 20 03:33
XRevan86node Limited transaction.May 20 03:33
XRevan86 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode IRC staff resign en masse, unhappy about new management • The RegisterMay 20 03:33
schestowitz__I think that writeup from rasengan helps answer some of the questions I raised earlierMay 20 03:33
XRevan86popped up when I looked up her nameMay 20 03:33
schestowitz__thanksMay 20 03:34
schestowitz__I've just yet typed a sentence, lots to understand firstMay 20 03:34
schestowitz__[11:00] <xxxxxxx> FYI andrew lee has seized operational control of freenodeMay 20 03:35
schestowitz__[11:00] <xxxxx> xxxxx is leavingMay 20 03:35
schestowitz__[11:09] <schestowitz__> have more admins of feeenode resigned? I hope some stay onboard, I don't want the network to perish.May 20 03:35
schestowitz__[11:09] <xxxxx> bruhMay 20 03:35
schestowitz__[11:09] <xxxxx> the network is already deadMay 20 03:35
schestowitz__[11:09] <xxxxxx> if you think the people who make freenode great are going to stick around and play in andrew lee's sandbox... i have bad newsMay 20 03:35
schestowitz__Gentoo is on the fenceMay 20 03:35
XRevan86> "I was a first-hand observer to her departure," Jones wrote. "This is entirely false. She left us with a 14-paragraph e-mail about it, and signed off with us on good terms at the time."May 20 03:35
schestowitz__I think there is mob mentality hereMay 20 03:36
schestowitz__"ritual mob"May 20 03:36
schestowitz__and it's hardly to respond to at scaleMay 20 03:36
XRevan86> It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision.May 20 03:36
schestowitz__"It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision."May 20 03:37
schestowitz__I see not much wrong with thisMay 20 03:37
schestowitz__lolMay 20 03:37
schestowitz__we quoted the same partMay 20 03:37
schestowitz__at the same time, a min apartMay 20 03:37
schestowitz__yes, I noticed that tooMay 20 03:37
schestowitz__so seems like inflation and exaggerationMay 20 03:37
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schestowitz__so the owner of the network wanted to promote his brother's businessMay 20 03:37
XRevan86schestowitz__: rasengan's response to The Register is also interesting.May 20 03:37
schestowitz__which sort of promotes gnu/linux anywayMay 20 03:37
XRevan86It has bits that he hasn't said in the paste nor here.May 20 03:38
schestowitz__"Lee however said that claims by some departing staffers about the Shells links are incorrect. "I have had logos for my companies on Freenode since 2013, and the staff was absolutely in approval of it," he said."May 20 03:38
XRevan86schestowitz__: Conflict of Interest is a thing however.May 20 03:38
schestowitz__"The departures come at a difficult time for Freenode, one of the few IRC networks to have survived so long. The former Freenode staffer said that while the network managed to thrive over the years as other IRC communities lost users, it's no longer growing because recently chat services like Slack and Discord have hurt Freenode participation."May 20 03:39
schestowitz__XRevan86: well, I would not describe that as such because:May 20 03:39
schestowitz__some of the money to keep it going came from the familyMay 20 03:39
schestowitz__and if I supported something and asked for some logo to be added because of my donation, I would not call it "Conflict of Interest"May 20 03:40
schestowitz__He DID in fact give resources to the networkMay 20 03:40
schestowitz__long enjoyed by usMay 20 03:40
XRevan86schestowitz__: Open 20 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenodeMay 20 03:40
schestowitz__""Freenode is back in control of Freenode Limited, where it always was," he said. "In the end, what's most important to everyone is the survival of Freenode and the FOSS community – and I think since that's where we are all aligned, it will survive.""May 20 03:40
XRevan86schestowitz__: The Shells logo is as significant as the Freenode's logo.May 20 03:41
schestowitz__I just didMay 20 03:41
schestowitz__I see the Shells logoMay 20 03:41
schestowitz__I see May 20 03:41
XRevan86I also didn't understand and they I saw.May 20 03:41
XRevan86* thenMay 20 03:41
schestowitz__ 20 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEMay 20 03:41
schestowitz__"Featured on Linux Journal"May 20 03:41
schestowitz__which PIA ownedMay 20 03:41
schestowitz__like bought articles as endorsementsMay 20 03:42
schestowitz__but stillMay 20 03:42
schestowitz__they're not evil (Shells)May 20 03:42
schestowitz__so like I said, it's over-inflated, the accusationsMay 20 03:42
schestowitz__it's not like he asked freenode users to start payingMay 20 03:42
schestowitz__or sold data (AFAIK)May 20 03:42
schestowitz__we have better trees to bark upMay 20 03:43
schestowitz__Shells I've mostly ignoredMay 20 03:43
XRevan86schestowitz__: One of the thing to ask of the Libera people is what they think about the rasengan's response to The Register, I think it's well-worded.May 20 03:43
schestowitz__because it smelled like paid-for fluff in 'Linux' sitesMay 20 03:43
schestowitz__XRevan86: it isMay 20 03:43
schestowitz__tbh, it's easy to get upset at the richer personMay 20 03:44
XRevan86the part I want to quote is too big, so I don'tMay 20 03:44
schestowitz__but it seems like he wants to help Free softwareMay 20 03:44
schestowitz__even conill told me soMay 20 03:44
schestowitz__but not objects to freenodeMay 20 03:44
schestowitz__XRevan86: no need, it's already in a link shared hereMay 20 03:44
schestowitz__but anyway, we need to orientate ourselves around what is right and justMay 20 03:45
schestowitz__before writing about itMay 20 03:45
schestowitz__to avoid "mea culpa" laterMay 20 03:45
XRevan86> However, immediately after this, my access to the domain account was revoked. As such, I began to request access back to no avail, which some former staffers perceived as me attempting to make a hostile takeover.May 20 03:45
XRevan86I think this is the good part.May 20 03:45
schestowitz__doing a copypasta of quotes is easyMay 20 03:45
schestowitz__but learning who is right and wrong, like a court would, takes agesMay 20 03:45
schestowitz__XRevan86: thanksMay 20 03:46
schestowitz__I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instinctsMay 20 03:46
schestowitz__and it looks like it was mostly correct after reading both sides' argumentsMay 20 03:46
schestowitz__were freenode staff paid?May 20 03:46
schestowitz__if not, then defecting is way too easy morallyMay 20 03:47
schestowitz__without risk to the bottom lineMay 20 03:47
kingoffrancelolMay 20 03:47
XRevan86schestowitz__: They weren't employed at all.May 20 03:47
schestowitz__I am guessing only the more senior people were compensatedMay 20 03:47
kingoffrancei think that is probably true but not gonna go over well schestowitz__ May 20 03:47
schestowitz__(financially)May 20 03:47
XRevan86schestowitz__: None of them.May 20 03:47
schestowitz__right, so...May 20 03:47
schestowitz__for them to make their own networkMay 20 03:47
schestowitz__and mass-endorse itMay 20 03:47
schestowitz__would entail no financial harmMay 20 03:48
XRevan86schestowitz__: Partially true.May 20 03:48
schestowitz__it's convenient, isn't it?May 20 03:48
schestowitz__Like someone rage-quitting here in IRC and then badmouthing usMay 20 03:48
XRevan86Nothing about starting over is convinient.May 20 03:48
schestowitz__and then starting some anti-Techrights siteMay 20 03:48
schestowitz__like some did before, except they were always against usMay 20 03:49
schestowitz__"boycott-boycottnovell", "techrights watch" etc.May 20 03:49
schestowitz__XRevan86: well, they felt they lost controlMay 20 03:49
schestowitz__that was the least they hadMay 20 03:49
schestowitz__if no salaryMay 20 03:49
XRevan86schestowitz__: "I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instincts" – for me it was the opposite, because when there's a mass-exodus of all the people that actually make the thing happen then it's probably for a good reason.May 20 03:49
schestowitz__not all didMay 20 03:50
schestowitz__some didMay 20 03:50
XRevan86schestowitz__: It's more like if ye had left.May 20 03:50
schestowitz__later some people joined themMay 20 03:50
schestowitz__because they thought they had gathered momentumMay 20 03:50
schestowitz__it's like a unionMay 20 03:50
XRevan86schestowitz__: I'm only looking at the staff of course.May 20 03:51
XRevan86schestowitz__: It's not opportunist to *resign*.May 20 03:51
schestowitz__staff as in volunteersMay 20 03:51
schestowitz__so the volunteers no longer wish to vounteerMay 20 03:51
schestowitz__and that's what it's about...May 20 03:51
schestowitz__XRevan86: I didn't say opportunisticMay 20 03:51
XRevan86schestowitz__: staff as in the people who have been keeping the network operational.May 20 03:51
schestowitz__yeah, but staff is misnomberMay 20 03:52
schestowitz__*misnomerMay 20 03:52
schestowitz__nobody here is staffMay 20 03:52
schestowitz__we're all peopleMay 20 03:52
XRevan86schestowitz__: Initially there was no company. Apparently it was created to manage the Freenode Live event.May 20 03:52
XRevan86but the network somehow existedMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx like i said, i think andrew should donate freenode to likeMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx FSFMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or LFMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or SFCMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] <schestowitz__> I reached out PIA's Rick (PP Founder) when LJ was up in the airMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or somethingMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:21] <schestowitz__> he doesn't think too highly of LTM, IIRCMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx there are plenty of optionsMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that are better than ... whatever this isMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:23] <schestowitz__> I might do a quick video about this, constructivelyMay 20 03:53
MinceRafaik the "staff" term comes from their silly insistence on freenode being "not IRC"May 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:23] <schestowitz__> I am not new to IRCMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:23] <schestowitz__> I was 13 or 14May 20 03:53
schestowitz__[11:26] <schestowitz__> this whole think reminds me of megaupload, mega, kim dotcom, and the new mega owner, which iirc was from hkMay 20 03:53
MinceRmost networks just call them "IRC operators"May 20 03:53
schestowitz__is dalnet still around?May 20 03:53
*schestowitz__ did not checkMay 20 03:53
MinceRi've heard it's still upMay 20 03:53
schestowitz__that's what she saidMay 20 03:54
MinceRi left when it was DDoSsed by kiddies and did not know anyone on the networkMay 20 03:54
MinceR:>May 20 03:54
schestowitz__dalnet was being vandalised when I first used itMay 20 03:54
MinceRalso, lol @ the suggestion to trust LFMay 20 03:54
schestowitz__flood-type vandalismMay 20 03:54
schestowitz__with colourMay 20 03:54
schestowitz__MinceR: yes, I know, I thought the sameMay 20 03:54
MinceR"hey, they're doing such a great job destroying Linux and the Linux brand, let them also destroy freenode!"May 20 03:54
schestowitz__the person who said that gets support from LFMay 20 03:55
schestowitz__SFC is also laughableMay 20 03:55
schestowitz__why not just shiny shoes for GOogle?May 20 03:55
schestowitz__*ShineMay 20 03:55
XRevan86FSF was their first suggestion though :)May 20 03:55
XRevan86GNU Freenode, that's be a sight to see.May 20 03:55
MinceRah yes, there's even a crybully from SFC on the primary signatories list of the anti-RMS letterMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__how about this for headline (most people just gloss over the rest): Burning Down Freenode is Easy, But at What Cost?May 20 03:56
MinceRmehMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__I hate mobsMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__they just burn thingsMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__and don't think of the consequencesMay 20 03:56
rasenganschestowitz__: FYI - 20 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenodeMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__things that are not companiesMay 20 03:56
XRevan86schestowitz__: mobs made LibreOffice, mobs made, mobs made NextcloudMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__things like communities and unionsMay 20 03:56
schestowitz__no, they forkedMay 20 03:57 turned out to be a bad ideaMay 20 03:57
XRevan86maybe not NextcloudMay 20 03:57
XRevan86though no, Nextcloud too, the mob supported the founderMay 20 03:57
schestowitz__owncloud was going for some of the things nextcloud doesMay 20 03:57
schestowitz__I think they didn't like the VCs or something like thatMay 20 03:57
XRevan86MinceR: If only XFree86 won over…May 20 03:58
schestowitz__x is good enoughMay 20 03:58
schestowitz__and apparently the code is also decentMay 20 03:58
schestowitz__wayland lacks lots of staff after endless work by red hat, intel and othersMay 20 03:58
schestowitz__*lots of stuffMay 20 03:58
schestowitz__it cannot even x-forward LOLMay 20 03:59
schestowitz__or wayland-forwardMay 20 03:59
XRevan86schestowitz__: 20 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Frank Karlitschek_ » NextcloudMay 20 03:59
MinceRtrusting X on The Closed Group was already a bad moveMay 20 03:59
MinceRthey've mismanaged the Unix trademark, who thought they'd do any better with X?May 20 03:59
schestowitz__"As announced 5 weeks ago I left ownCloud, Inc., The company that I co-founded. Not because I abandoned ownCloud or the idea behind it. Actually the opposite. I don’t want to go into details but there are a lot of things that could have been better at ownCloud Inc."May 20 04:00
schestowitz__"We will release a drop in replacement for ownCloud in a few weeks so that users and customers can easily upgrade to Nextcloud to benefit from the new bugfix and security improvements and features. Nextcloud GmbH will provide free support for all current ownCloud customers to simplify a transition."May 20 04:00
XRevan86 20 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Frank Karlitschek_ » big changes: I am leaving ownCloud, Inc. todayMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__some other suse people followed himMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__some did notMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__owncloud is still aroundMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__not sure how they do in relative termsMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__openoffice is feeble, but many still download itMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__with all the flaws baked into itMay 20 04:01
schestowitz__MinceR: what better for headline?May 20 04:02
MinceRdunnoMay 20 04:02
schestowitz__remember most people only read headlinesMay 20 04:02
schestowitz__this whole panic seems to be out of proportionMay 20 04:02
MinceRindeedMay 20 04:02
kingoffrancethe whole thing reminds me of that schneier article other day  "85% of gov infrastructure is private" .....whatever the case, seems like a microcosmMay 20 04:02
schestowitz__I am hardly enragedMay 20 04:03
XRevan86schestowitz__: Yea, only XFree86 fully died.May 20 04:03
schestowitz__I used itMay 20 04:03
schestowitz__in SUSE iircMay 20 04:03
schestowitz__2004 ishMay 20 04:03
-rasengan-[Global Notice] Hello freenode! Thank you for your patience and understanding as we get through these tough times together. We wanted to take a moment to post an update - - and thank you for using freenode, the home of FOSS.May 20 04:04
schestowitz__MinceR: Maybe "The Panic Over Freenode Isn't Justified"May 20 04:04
kingoffranceand yeah corporate hostile takeover, so lets give it to a foundation (another corporation) instead ?May 20 04:04
MinceRhmmMay 20 04:04
XRevan86rasengan just made a global announcement with 20 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenodeMay 20 04:04
MinceRfrankly, i don't know your conclusion so i don't know which headline fits the article betterMay 20 04:04
kingoffranceim sure they meant "non-profit" but does seem mobbish for nowMay 20 04:05
schestowitz__kingoffrance: not exactlyMay 20 04:05
kingoffranceim just not seeing much nuance right nowMay 20 04:05
techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingMay 20 04:06
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kingoffrancewell i second the idea of LF made me lolMay 20 04:06
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, May 19, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextMay 20 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bulletin ArchivesMay 20 04:06
schestowitz__kingoffrance: yes, I agreeMay 20 04:06
schestowitz__rasengan: thanks for the post, helps clarify some thingsMay 20 04:07
schestowitz__OK, I will start writing nowMay 20 04:07
XRevan86schestowitz__: There's a link to techrights there.May 20 04:07
rasenganschestowitz__: Thank you for your patience in understanding the matter.May 20 04:08
schestowitz__it's OK, we try to get stories RIGHTMay 20 04:09
schestowitz__even when the opinion is countercurrent and unpopularMay 20 04:09
schestowitz__am reading through itMay 20 04:10
schestowitz__so it seems like some of the people who rushed to judge RMS, based on distortions, do it againMay 20 04:10
schestowitz__with the peer pressure egging them onMay 20 04:10
schestowitz__social control media made those things worseMay 20 04:11
kingoffrance^May 20 04:11
schestowitz__like seeing a sign on the doorMay 20 04:11
schestowitz__"OMG RMS IS A MONSTER"May 20 04:11
schestowitz__later: "Oh.... so that sign was fake... never mind"May 20 04:11
schestowitz__even ariadne thought it was realMay 20 04:11
schestowitz__bbiab, typing awayMay 20 04:12
XRevan86Now I can go sleep in more peace.May 20 04:12
baronhk[m]1My favorite part of the Hitchhikers Guide series was probably in the second book.May 20 04:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▂▆▄▅▅▁▃▂▃▃▃▄▂▃▂▄▆▆▃▅▃▄▁▄▅▂▆▅▁▆▅▃▆▁ avg(k/sec) 17.95 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▂▃██▁▁█▁█▁▁▂▂▂█▂▃█▂▂▁▃▃█▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 76.98▕ swarm size (avg): 224.63  ⟲May 20 04:15
baronhk[m]1A judge is convinced by a lawyer that beauty is truth and truth is beautiful, that life itself is in contempt of court for.not being beautiful. Then they killed everyone there to seize life from them.May 20 04:17
kingoffrancebaronhk[m]1, lolMay 20 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ cynicMay 20 04:19
kingoffrancereminds me of thatMay 20 04:20
schestowitz__"Interestingly enough, about half of all resignations were announced in a proprietary software platform of Microsoft:"May 20 04:23
schestowitz__Is it OK to say that?May 20 04:23
kingoffrancethe freenode staff? thats mandatory to say that if soMay 20 04:24
MinceRi think it's OK to say thatMay 20 04:25
schestowitz__rasengan: for the fact-checkingMay 20 04:27
schestowitz__you are US citizen, right?May 20 04:27
schestowitz__"May 20 04:30
schestowitz__Here's one example calling Lee "Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire."May 20 04:30
schestowitz__That seems unfair and borderline racist. Americans of East Asian descent people have long suffered from Trumpian politics and calling American people "korean" lends to this idea that people, based on their race/roots alone, can never be "true Americans"May 20 04:30
schestowitz__"May 20 04:30
rasenganschestowitz__: Yes I am. (Born and raised)May 20 04:33
schestowitz__That's what I thought, thanksMay 20 04:34
schestowitz__my wife is Asian, so I know that sort of attitude, which she too is subjected to sometimesMay 20 04:39
superkuhYes. When people do bad things people call them bad names. It's not helpful.May 20 04:39
schestowitz__it's easier when there is salient racial aspectMay 20 04:39
schestowitz__"dirty Indians"May 20 04:39
schestowitz__"bringing us COVID variants"May 20 04:39
schestowitz__almost done nowMay 20 04:56
schestowitz__does anyone want to proof-read?May 20 04:56
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schestowitz__sunmary: The Freenode controversy has lead to what we consider disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps itMay 20 05:00
schestowitz__amended to "The Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps it"May 20 05:01
MinceRnecessitated or necessitates?May 20 05:01
superkuhI don't understand your distortion of this and bending over backwards.May 20 05:02
MinceRis there already an amicable resolution?May 20 05:02
superkuhIt seems like you're going out of your way to talk about the fringe idiots instead of the core issues.May 20 05:02
schestowitz__necessitatedMay 20 05:04
schestowitz__ because it's irreversible for the staffMay 20 05:05
schestowitz__superkuh: no, I mention the issueMay 20 05:05
schestowitz__seems to be the logoMay 20 05:05
schestowitz__superkuh: do you want to check the draft?May 20 05:05
schestowitz__tell me if I'm missing somethingMay 20 05:05
MinceRi thought domain ownership was more of an issueMay 20 05:06
superkuhSure.May 20 05:06
schestowitz__ 20 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Panic Over Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | TechrightsMay 20 05:08
schestowitz__I'm sure you will find and can report typos along the wayMay 20 05:09
superkuhThe problem is not the logo on the site though you may call it the catalyst. The problem is asserting control of any kind over the servers.May 20 05:11
schestowitz__to add logos?May 20 05:12
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superkuhOr maybe when he interfered with the blog post about the staff deciding on a new leader?May 20 05:13
schestowitz__any link for context?May 20 05:14
superkuh 20 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | My resignation from freenode · GitHubMay 20 05:14
superkuhI personally had a problem with him pushing handshake on freenode as it seemed like a massive conflict of interest for an owner.May 20 05:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▃▂▅▄▆▆▆▂▁▃▃▁▄▂▁▅▆▃▄▅▄▅▃▄▁▁▂▄▅█▄▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 20.83 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂█▂▂▂▂▂█▁▁▂▁█▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁█▆▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 66.68▕ swarm size (avg): 224.68  ⟲May 20 05:15
superkuhAnd many others expressed the same at that time.May 20 05:15
schestowitz__"May 20 05:15
schestowitz__Andrew should have no right to be concerned about who we put in charge,May 20 05:15
schestowitz__   as it was promised that he would be hands-off and let us continue to runMay 20 05:15
schestowitz__   the network as we always have.May 20 05:15
schestowitz__"May 20 05:15
schestowitz__operational and management are not the sameMay 20 05:15
schestowitz__operationally independentMay 20 05:15
superkuhRiiight. More legal weasel.May 20 05:16
schestowitz__maybeMay 20 05:16
superkuhI think you could read through that fully cited document full of incidents of interference and compare it to rasengan's releases without anything backing him up.May 20 05:17
superkuhNot even a second person.May 20 05:17
superkuhWhen this came out on the 16th I was on his side.May 20 05:18
superkuhI thought he would just clear things up, bring in other voices that confirmed his statements, etc.May 20 05:18
superkuhYou can look in the logs in joepie's log link post.May 20 05:18
superkuhI asked him to do so. He hasn't still.May 20 05:18
superkuh ctrl-f 'superkuh'May 20 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — 20 05:20
superkuhAnd yes, it has an unfortunate (though legally accurate) label.May 20 05:20
dragestilFrom the new techrights postMay 20 05:20
dragestil> But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that. In the same way that “cancel RMS” in 2019 was about some tactless E-mails (seen as insensitive towards victims) and in 2021 “cancel RMS” was all about the man coming back to the FSF’s Board (anger superficially boosted and artificially floated by the set of new claims, shifting to a whole different set of poor-quality accusations).May 20 05:20
dragestilI don't see how this event can be interpreted as cancellingMay 20 05:20
superkuhI see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github.May 20 05:20
superkuhThis wasn't a misinterpreted statement.May 20 05:21
superkuhOn the other side, that he hasn't kicked me or others off the network says a lot for his restraint.May 20 05:21
superkuhI don't want freenode to split. The anxiety I am having over this is making me physically sick to my stomach. I really wish there were a possible reconciliation. But that can't happen if we just ignore what happened and is well documented.May 20 05:24
dragestilthe new techrights post attacks the anti-lee side with a lot of guilt by associationMay 20 05:24
dragestil"posted on github", "someone who signed rms hate letter said this", "the same publication that attacked rms"May 20 05:25
baronhk[m]1<schestowitz__ "my wife is Asian, so I know that"> Mom apparently works with some.May 20 05:26
baronhk[m]1She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?".May 20 05:26
MinceR20 062045 < superkuh> I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github.May 20 05:27
MinceRan ircop who resigned over this also signed that oneMay 20 05:27
baronhk[m]1Between that one and the 19 year old who can't figure out that you go to the Social Security office to replace your Social Security Card, I think it's fair to say....doomed.May 20 05:27
baronhk[m]1MinceR: ^May 20 05:27
superkuhOf the list you provided only nhandler seemed to be on it. But again, I may have not been as thorough.May 20 05:27
baronhk[m]1They all figure out one thing though. How to get pregnant over and over again.May 20 05:28
baronhk[m]1In my experience, the least productive are often the most reproductive.May 20 05:28
MinceRas i've said before, José Antonio Rey is also on itMay 20 05:28
baronhk[m]1So again.....DOOMED.May 20 05:28
MinceRbaronhk[m]1: "Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?! (pause) Oh, right, that would be me. Back to work."May 20 05:28
baronhk[m]1The only reason welfare doesn't cost us a lot more is because half of them aren't smart or motivated enough to even ask for the program.May 20 05:28
baronhk[m]1Liberals are fucking retarded for creating these programs.May 20 05:29
baronhk[m]1They enable two things to happen.May 20 05:29
kingoffrancefunny part is sweden is still a monarchy, but no executive powers "purely ceremonial"May 20 05:30
baronhk[m]1The slums of places like Chicago to flourish with generations of poverty and violence, and rural hillbillies to keep reproducing with people who won't fill out a job application or will end up cooking meth and going to prison.May 20 05:30
baronhk[m]1"Buddy, you ain't the King of but two things. Jack and Shit, and Jack left town."May 20 05:31
MinceR:>May 20 05:31
baronhk[m]1Welfare was well intentioned, but it fuels crime, poverty, and violence.May 20 05:32
baronhk[m]1A culture of helplessness.May 20 05:32
schestowitz__[05:26] <baronhk[m]1> She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?".May 20 05:32
schestowitz__Casualracism(TM)May 20 05:32
schestowitz__superkuh: thanks for the replies/citationsMay 20 05:33
schestowitz__I will revisit this later, it's a very big deal for the communityMay 20 05:33
baronhk[m]1MinceR: All of the people in those churches in Indiana are on the dole somehow.May 20 05:33
baronhk[m]1But to see a true hive, you have to go to South Chicago or at least the area.May 20 05:33
baronhk[m]1That's what happens when you remove the personal financial responsibility of having children you can't afford.May 20 05:34
baronhk[m]1People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent. So now they get SNAP and cash and free internet and low income housing and cell phones and Medicaid, because the government goes "Oh well, you don't know who any of the fathers are. We'll just tax all of these other people and you can be a welfare queen.".May 20 05:35
baronhk[m]1This was how bad it was before Biden's emergency Coronavirus nonsense.May 20 05:35
superkuh"<CoJaBo> spinningCat: Part of it seems to be that Freenode made plans to move to another IRCd, but the corporate owners had invested a huge amount of money in their own IRCd. The earliest major action is corporate demanding they take down that announcement"May 20 05:35
schestowitz__I've made notes of superkuh's stuffMay 20 05:36
superkuhIf you want a summary instead of the detailed story with citations above.May 20 05:36
baronhk[m]1If they couldn't mooch off the state in exchange for having 4-5 useless kids, they'd knock it off and maybe invest in some condoms.May 20 05:36
techrights-botThe Panic Over #Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate #irc #freesw #sharing #shellsMay 20 05:36
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techrights-bot"7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds." #billgates is not a nerd but a person who exploited nerds and then attacked them. Businessman who studied law and then broke the law (never even graduated) 20 05:39
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GNUmoonbaronhk[m]: "People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent." How is this related to Techrights?May 20 05:39
baronhk[m]1Roy probably wondered where the anti-Asian crap is coming from.May 20 05:40
baronhk[m]1I guarantee you it's from maladjusted people who were on the wrong side of the tracks growing up.May 20 05:40
schestowitz__GNUmoon: not related to itMay 20 05:41
schestowitz__not my choice of topic, eitherMay 20 05:41
kingoffrance" In the past century we've seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent"May 20 05:42
kingoffrancecitation neededMay 20 05:42
baronhk[m]1I can't imagine anyone whose parents bothered trying to educate and instill any sense of morality into could grow up and even make a statement like aren't the people running the Chinese restaurant giving people COVID.May 20 05:43
GNUmoonschestowitz: no worries, I'm sure you didn't pick it :)May 20 05:45
baronhk[m]1There's a lot of it out there. Facebook's model is to attract people who respond to this stuff and then promote it to drive advertising.May 20 05:45
baronhk[m]1Then they say we delete lots of accounts and yada yada.May 20 05:45
baronhk[m]1The devil speaks with a forked tongue.May 20 05:45
baronhk[m]1In the 90s there were definitely people like this hanging out on forums, but they were not organized. They weren't promoted like this. Few took them seriously.May 20 05:46
baronhk[m]1If COVID happened in the 90s, everyone would have gone to get the vaccine. There wouldn't be all of these attacks on Asians.May 20 05:47
baronhk[m]1What's ultimately wrong is a lot of things. Better people have died and been replaced by worse people.May 20 05:47
schestowitz__kingoffrance: century maybeMay 20 05:48
schestowitz__not decadeMay 20 05:48
baronhk[m]1I mean an educated generation who built things and cared about each other was replaced by narcissistic illiterates.May 20 05:48
MinceRidiocracy :>May 20 05:49
baronhk[m]1There's a group of slackers and morons now who have formed a student group demanding to be passed through Chicago high schools due to the "trauma" from COVID affecting their grades.May 20 05:49
baronhk[m]1Nice one. May 20 05:49
baronhk[m]1Half of the schooling I had was a state recognized home schooling program, before most people even had a computer. My grades improved.May 20 05:50
baronhk[m]1MinceR Still trying to figure out how it's possible to be traumatized by staying at home in pajamas.May 20 05:51
MinceRthere are some ways :>May 20 05:52
baronhk[m]1Stallman pretty much covered it. If you leave the 24/7 panic channels off you can avoid this.May 20 05:52
baronhk[m]1I wonder what Stallman would say about Grindr. Probably that it's proprietary and collects data about its users.May 20 05:53
baronhk[m]1But in the timeline where I paid attention to that, I wouldn't have met Mandy.May 20 05:53
baronhk[m]1I know that's atypical. Even meeting a halfway decent person there....May 20 05:53
baronhk[m]1I caught it relaying data to Facebook.May 20 05:54
baronhk[m]1It tells Facebook your HIV status if you list it. If it's negative you start getting PrEP ads and ads for lawyers suing Gilead for making PrEP.May 20 05:55
baronhk[m]1Yes, take it and then sue!May 20 05:55
baronhk[m]1There's lots of people who are entirely too open about things like this.May 20 05:55
baronhk[m]1Would you want Facebook to know your HIV status? How does that affect lending terms and employment opportunities? Oh, we all know banks and employers never peek at data they can't legally use and then make a decision with it.May 20 05:56
baronhk[m]1There's many interactions with apps and Facebook, and Google is basically allowing all of it. I saw someone post Facebook's in app response to Apple's new privacy setup. They threaten that it may not be free anymore if people start rejecting being used this way.May 20 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IMF suggests that your credit score could be based on your internet historyMay 20 06:09
kingoffranceim sure if it comes to that it will all be legalizedMay 20 06:09
baronhk[m]1I notice our credit scores go up or down and they won't say why.May 20 06:09
baronhk[m]1Monthly even.May 20 06:09
MinceRmaybe they'll rename it to Social Credit Score.May 20 06:10
kingoffranceoriginally it more or less was marketed that way, century ago :)May 20 06:10
kingoffrance"so this is utopia"  h.g. wells sitting homeless on park bench after teleporting forward a few decadesMay 20 06:11
kingoffrancedumb movie lolMay 20 06:11
kingoffrancei think its raining too lolMay 20 06:12
kingoffrancejack the ripper tells him no no, im the future lolMay 20 06:12
schestowitz__so many people still get their 'facts' from their so-called 'friends' in FacebookMay 20 06:14
schestowitz__what can go wrong?May 20 06:14
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techrights-botThe EPO’s War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? #epo #corruptionMay 20 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | TechrightsMay 20 06:25
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techrights-bot#EPO #Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About #Patents and Those Outside #Europe #swpatsMay 20 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About Patents and Those Outside Europe | TechrightsMay 20 06:44
techrights-botToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMay 20 06:58
techrights-botThe #Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitates further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms #Freesoftware more than it helps it 20 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Panic Over Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | TechrightsMay 20 07:00
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DVulgarisThe onion gets it right every timeMay 20 07:57
DVulgaris 20 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Israel Returns Occupied Territories To Palestinians After Running Out Of Targets To Hit In GazaMay 20 07:57
DVulgarisThe situation here is getting worse year after yearMay 20 07:57
psydroid<techrights-bot "The #Freenode controversy has re"> I just read this and it looks entirely reasonable to me 20 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenodeMay 20 08:00
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #FredericCambus #BSD ☞ The state of toolchains in #OpenBSD 20 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The state of toolchains in OpenBSD - Cambus.netMay 20 09:42
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheProgrammingHistorian #JSON ☞ Reshaping JSON with jq 20 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reshaping JSON with jq | Programming HistorianMay 20 09:42
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techrights-bot#Microsoft #Windows TCO: Colonial Pipeline boss confirms $4.4m ransom payment 20 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Colonial Pipeline boss confirms $4.4m ransom payment - BBC NewsMay 20 09:48
techrights-bot#TUXEDOComputers Launches New TUXEDO #InfinityBook Pro 14 Linux Laptop with 3K Display • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TUXEDO Computers Launches New TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Linux Laptop with 3K Display | Tux MachinesMay 20 09:49
techrights-bot𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini:// 20 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | TechrightsMay 20 09:51
techrights-botAfter #BenoîtBattistelli had put Carl Josefsson in charge at BoA #AntónioCampinos decided to make him the ‘New Normal’ rubber-stamping apparatus, in effect serving to normalise clear violations of the EPC • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ •●• #Techrights #EPO #corruption | Gemini address: gemini:// 20 09:52
techrights-botIt seems fair to say that the incredible deficit or lack of justice at the #EPOorg poses a threat not only to justice in #Europe and the EU, even well outside the area of patents. • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ •●• #Techright #EPO #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini:// 20 09:53
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Variety #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #ByteDance Co-Founder #ZhangYiming to Step Down as CEO 20 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ByteDance Co-Founder Zhang Yiming to Step Down as CEO - VarietyMay 20 09:55
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #BBC #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #ByteDance : TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive 20 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ByteDance: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive - BBC NewsMay 20 09:55
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ QR code digital #coronavirus #vaccine certificate system launches 20 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | QR code digital coronavirus vaccine certificate system launches | Coronavirus | ERRMay 20 09:57
techrights-botThere seem to be issues with the JoinDiaspora bridge to TwitterMay 20 10:03
techrights-bot#ibm will look #redhat look bad 20 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout • The RegisterMay 20 10:10
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schestowitz__I've just recorded a one-hour video about freenodeMay 20 11:29
schestowitz__uploading nowMay 20 11:29
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schestowitz__ 20 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | the whole freenode kerfluffle – Ariadne's SpaceMay 20 11:43
schestowitz__"In December 2018, Andrew acquired the domain.  On that domain, he wrote a post titled Let’s [sic] take IRC further.  Based on this post, we can gather a few details about Andrew’s childhood: he grew up as a marginalized person, and as a result of that marginalization, he was bullied.  IRC was his outlet, a space for him that was actually safe for him to express himself.  Because of that, he was able to learn about May 20 11:43
schestowitz__technology and free software."May 20 11:43
schestowitz__rasengan: is that a fair assessment (sorry if too personal)?May 20 11:44
schestowitz__I mean the paragraph above alone?May 20 11:44
schestowitz__not the post as a wholeMay 20 11:44
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 20 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 - Raspberry PiMay 20 11:56
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox 20 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox - Raspberry PiMay 20 11:56
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techrights-bot6 Best #FreeSW Digital Audio Workstations • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 6 Best Free and Open Source Digital Audio Workstations | Tux MachinesMay 20 12:14
techrights-bot5 Best #EPUB Readers For Linux: #freesw & Lightweight Reading • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Best EPUB Readers For Linux: Open Source & Lightweight Reading | Tux MachinesMay 20 12:14
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Coalition Launches ‘Dark Patterns’ Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design 20 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coalition Launches ‘Dark Patterns’ Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design | Electronic Frontier FoundationMay 20 12:16
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light 20 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light | Electronic Frontier FoundationMay 20 12:17
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time 20 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time * TorrentFreakMay 20 12:25
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears 20 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears * TorrentFreakMay 20 12:25
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techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 20 12:39
techrights-bot"I get sev1 emails and alerts on a weekly and almost daily basis. 5x per day. It’s like someone turned on verbose mode. Does AWS have this many issues? No wonder no one uses #ibm cloud. If I was a customer and I saw all these... I’d jump to AWS or GCP" 20 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 12:42
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ We’re Suing Google. Here’s Why. 20 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We’re Suing Google. Here’s Why. | The NationMay 20 12:47
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techrights-bot#Google funded Mozilla, Google Ask #Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country but Mozilla and Google will still jointly spy on people for the US GovernmentMay 20 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla, Google Ask Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country | TechdirtMay 20 12:54
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techrights-botThere's a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But It's Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) #Freenode #IRC #internet #freesw #privacyMay 20 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | There’s a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But It’s Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) | TechrightsMay 20 13:12
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techrights-bot#IRC remains relevant to many of us who need a reliable, free, and Free software-based network for communications based upon (or built atop) protocols that a lot of clients support #freenodeMay 20 13:27
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schestowitz__CrystalMath: what's the situationMay 20 13:48
schestowitz__from what I can see, curl and others just monitor thingsMay 20 13:48
schestowitz__but not many projects truly moved, or at allMay 20 13:49
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techrights-botMSIE dead Windows still rotting away too: 20 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RIP Internet Explorer: Microsoft will discontinue support in 2022 | PCWorldMay 20 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | TechrightsMay 20 13:53
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psydroidthe deployment model for Windows is now that of non-LTS Ubuntu or FedoraMay 20 13:57
psydroidfor something that is supposed to be "business a critical" this is simply laughableMay 20 13:58
psydroidespecially when even a fully-patched install can be owned by a zero day anywayMay 20 13:58
CrystalMathschestowitz__: day 2 and ReactOS couldn't care less about liberaMay 20 13:59
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schestowitz__CrystalMath: it's also a riskMay 20 14:02
schestowitz__they could do a walkout there like they did freenodeMay 20 14:02
schestowitz__and then you have to move everyone again, rewrite scripts etc.May 20 14:03
schestowitz__rasengan is in contact with tomawMay 20 14:03
schestowitz__I hope they sort something out asapMay 20 14:03
schestowitz__the community needs stability and calmMay 20 14:03
psydroid*business-criticalMay 20 14:05
psydroidReactOS are on their own MattermostMay 20 14:05
schestowitz__goodMay 20 14:09
schestowitz__afaik, it uses matrixMay 20 14:10
schestowitz__and thus can maybe bridge across to freenode as well?May 20 14:10
schestowitz__I never saw Mattermost firsthandMay 20 14:10
schestowitz__we experimented with it at workMay 20 14:10
psydroidWe use(d) it at universityMay 20 14:11
psydroidYes, it can bridge to IRC and MatrixMay 20 14:11
psydroidthat's what the #reactos channel doesMay 20 14:12
schestowitz__good, I like compatible protocolsMay 20 14:12
schestowitz__gnu social and fediverse are not compatible with disaporaMay 20 14:12
schestowitz__activitypub and allMay 20 14:12 I think works ok with fediverse but is hardly usedMay 20 14:12
schestowitz__kaniini told me pleroma was based partly on statusnetMay 20 14:13
schestowitz__close to gnu socialMay 20 14:13
schestowitz__and was fediverse/activitypub compatible, for obvious reasonsMay 20 14:13
schestowitz__I am sour about fediverse and never came back since December because sites keep shutting downMay 20 14:13
schestowitz__too erraticMay 20 14:14
psydroidI don't want to rely on other people's servers for this very reasonMay 20 14:14
baronhk[m]1MSIE won't die for quite a while.May 20 14:15
baronhk[m]1If you wanted to, you could just write an IE shell around Trident and at that point it's an application using the platform.May 20 14:15
baronhk[m]1IE is hundreds of MB but Internet Explorer the shell is just a few.May 20 14:16
baronhk[m]1Even if it appears to go away, Microsoft has removed less than 1% of IE from the computer.May 20 14:17
baronhk[m]1They would only be removing the part you can see, which you've been allowed to do since Windows 7.May 20 14:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates will never be the same after scandal and his divorce from Melinda French Gates - VoxMay 20 14:19
baronhk[m]1A vicious sex predator who palled around with Jeff Epstein. The mainstream media took 10 years to report on any of it while it was very quick to Cancel Stallman because of one sentence in a blog that almost nobody has ever read.May 20 14:21
psydroidI installed the latest Windows release yesterday for the sole purpose of being able to take exams, but this time Pro in the hope that some update won't break something again or I can at least postpone itMay 20 14:21
baronhk[m]1mjg59 still hasn't started Cancel Bill Gates on GitHub.May 20 14:22
baronhk[m]1Maybe instead of sabotaging the Free Software side of the fence he can help drain the swamp of perverts at Microsoft.May 20 14:22
baronhk[m]1There's way more where Gates came from and some still show up for work every day.May 20 14:23
psydroidI give Windows about a decade until it's dead and buried or crematedMay 20 14:24
baronhk[m]1mjg59 was badmouthing an Android app that loads artwork that's not even obscene or questionable, yet they find hard drives and bankers boxes of VHS tapes and DVDs of actual child abuse going on spanning decades in the homes of people he refuses to speak of.May 20 14:25
baronhk[m]1What's wrong with this picture?May 20 14:25
trttlso his philanthropic image that he's been building in the past 20 years goes out the window(s)(r)? very sadMay 20 14:25
baronhk[m]1They enabled it by taking his bribe money to not report on how the Gates Foundation really operated.May 20 14:26
baronhk[m]1It did not achieve any actual results that could be called charitable. People are less educated and less healthy today than ever, but the Foundation promoted Microsoft products and funded unethical medical experiments mostly on the Global South where nobody sues and nobody cares what happens.May 20 14:28
psydroidIf anything it shows what is wrong with the world to let these perverts roam freely among us for such a long time and even enabling themMay 20 14:28
baronhk[m]1In the mean time, Bill doubled his money.May 20 14:28
baronhk[m]1The police only ever bust nobodies for child abuse.May 20 14:28
baronhk[m]1Rich people do pretty much anything they want and even after they are exposed there's no consequences.May 20 14:29
trttlthere are sometimes but they usually have the means to keep things private and avoid being exposedMay 20 14:30
baronhk[m]1Even if Gates was ever convicted of anything, the stain of a conviction matters to a guy who can't even get a job now and has no money, but it means nothing to someone who has $100 billion from back when nobody reported or investigated. It's an embarrassment at worst.May 20 14:30
schestowitz__we gotr some major newsMay 20 14:31
baronhk[m]1His wife leaving is humiliating enough. Most of these people are raving psychopaths who were married for show anyway, which is why divorce is so rare.May 20 14:31
schestowitz__we managed to change a very important EPO case, it seems...May 20 14:31
baronhk[m]1He was cheating. She used him for status. None of it matters to her as long as she can get places because of the marriage.May 20 14:32
schestowitz__The easiest solution seems to be to continue with the publication of the series as written (with a note to alert readers about the latest development).May 20 14:32
baronhk[m]1He's gone from asset to liability.May 20 14:32
schestowitz__A short "post scriptum" update can be provided to explain the implications of the interlocutory decision of 17 May. May 20 14:32
schestowitz__trueMay 20 14:32
baronhk[m]1If it wasn't for the marriage, Melinda French would have been a Microsoft footnote that was asked to leave the company after Bob.May 20 14:33
baronhk[m]1Not a divorced billionaire that people feel sorry for because she "only became aware" of Bill's actions recently.May 20 14:34
baronhk[m]1That's how you move on after you're exposed. Play the victim. "I was appalled to find out about this recently and I moved as quickly as I could to leave him.".May 20 14:35
baronhk[m]1Anyway, the vestiges of Internet Explorer will live on indefinitely, but it will look like it was removed.May 20 14:36
baronhk[m]1Nobody will notice because they have plenty of space for crap like this to linger forever.May 20 14:37
baronhk[m]1Rest assured that it will keep causing security issues as part of the platform and you simply won't know about most of them. If you look closely you will continue to see new versions of its constituent dll files in the Windows 10 updates.May 20 14:38
baronhk[m]1"Microsoft is promising to support this IE mode in Edge until through at least 2029."May 20 14:39
baronhk[m]1Meaning it has another 8 years left, by which time it's not even clear that there will be a Windows.May 20 14:39
baronhk[m]1They made it official that they killed Windows 10 X yesterday.May 20 14:40
baronhk[m]1They've encouraged bad design choices around IE and by the time the dlls go away some corporations will still be complaining about removal of a DOM implementation that's over thirty years old.May 20 14:41
baronhk[m]1The default for Local Intranet Zone is IE 5 Mode.May 20 14:42
baronhk[m]1And that doesn't change in IE Mode for Edge.May 20 14:42
baronhk[m]1What does change is that the IE components run behind a bigger blast door using a virtual machine walled off from the rest of the system and the graphics are remotely displayed into Edge. This is just bad design.May 20 14:43
baronhk[m]1It doesn't actually move forward because the only way you do that with these companies is to take out the cattle prod.May 20 14:44
baronhk[m]1Walmart's intranet still has pages that only work in IE.May 20 14:44
baronhk[m]1I went to put down myself as beneficiary for my spouse's retirement and stuff because he opened the page for that....It wanted to load an ActiveX control which didn't do anything even in Edge.May 20 14:46
baronhk[m]1IE Mode doesn't work on Edge unless you have an Enterprise SKU of Windows.May 20 14:46
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baronhk[m]1Microsoft's actions show a company whose flagship product is in its death rattles.May 20 14:52
baronhk[m]1They try to keep pitching their new stuff, but all they can really do is slow down the customers from leaving them.May 20 14:52
baronhk[m]1The markets that have shown less deterioration with Windows are the ones they've never been able to extract a lot of money from.May 20 14:54
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baronhk[m]1There's still a churn of spam involving their Linux products.May 20 14:55
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baronhk[m]1schestowitz__: "Microsoft Defender for Linux endpoint detection" able to "detect over 30 insecure configurations". Yet, oddly, they recently were unable to "secure endpoints" in the SolarWinds debacle and the Colonial Pipeline disaster and the NHS of Ireland.May 20 14:57
schestowitz__says SJVN?May 20 14:57
schestowitz__zdNYET?May 20 14:57
baronhk[m]1They can't secure their own platform, yet they'd expanding into ones that have traditionally not been likely to be misconfigured.May 20 14:57
schestowitz__yeah, I ignore thatMay 20 14:57
schestowitz__Microsoft realises Windows-only won't sell anymoreMay 20 14:58
schestowitz__someone inside Microsoft told meMay 20 14:58
baronhk[m]1<schestowitz__ "says SJVN?"> Yes, it has rich end user experiences and luxurious Corinthian leather.May 20 14:58
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: can you check english with me?May 20 14:58
schestowitz__I have a big story coming outMay 20 14:58
baronhk[m]1yeahMay 20 14:58
schestowitz__ 20 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | TechrightsMay 20 14:58
baronhk[m]1Looks okay.May 20 15:06
baronhk[m]1 20 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is Windows dying? : windowsMay 20 15:09
baronhk[m]1If Microsoft started charging an annual fee to use Windows, the trickle of customers leaving would become a flood.May 20 15:09
baronhk[m]1LibreOffice has become so common that you even see it on library computers these days.May 20 15:10
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: thanks!May 20 15:10
schestowitz__baronhk[m]1: sometimes google thingsMay 20 15:11
schestowitz__either way, gone are the post-wordperfect daysMay 20 15:11
schestowitz__microsoft doesn't have over 90% of that market anymoreMay 20 15:11
schestowitz__many people also fill forms in browsersMay 20 15:11
schestowitz__not printing or editing documentsMay 20 15:11
baronhk[m]1Their latest stuff finally implements the ISO version of OOXML, btw.May 20 15:11
baronhk[m]1And only a decade and a half later.May 20 15:11
baronhk[m]1They needed time to transition to their own standard, I suppose. :)May 20 15:12
baronhk[m]1And charge upgrade fees along the way.May 20 15:12
techrights-botBreaking #EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge #CalleJosefsson Deposed as Chairman #europe #patent #corruptionMay 20 15:12
schestowitz__did you check?May 20 15:12
schestowitz__or is that what they SAID?May 20 15:13
schestowitz__They never even followed ECMAMay 20 15:13
baronhk[m]1LibreOffice 7 saves to the ISO format because the release notes say that Office 2019 and 365 use that.May 20 15:13
baronhk[m]1ISO Strict that is.May 20 15:13
baronhk[m]1Technically MS Office has used OOXML Transitional since 2007.May 20 15:14
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techrights-botThere's a conflict in the #freesw world between optimism and pessimism, I've found. Having spoken to longtime activists. On the one hand, free software is everywhere (libre I mean), but at the same time it's under IMMENSE attacks. For me, the way I see it, those attacks are signs of desperation from losing monopolies. THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THIS OPENLY!May 20 15:15
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XRevan86> posted on githubMay 20 15:32
XRevan86schestowitz__: rasengan posted on githubMay 20 15:32
techrights-bot[Meme] The EPO's Very Special Dept. of Justice #epo #europe #patents #corruption #deMay 20 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice | TechrightsMay 20 15:33
schestowitz__XRevan86: link?May 20 15:33
schestowitz__maybe we need a nitter for githubMay 20 15:34
schestowitz__to avoid linking to Microsoft spywareMay 20 15:34
XRevan86schestowitz__: still this oneMay 20 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Letter to freenode · GitHubMay 20 15:34
XRevan86it was the first linkMay 20 15:34
schestowitz__I saw thatMay 20 15:34
XRevan86schestowitz__: Notice who posted ( )May 20 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-realrasengan (rasengan) · GitHubMay 20 15:35
XRevan86he made the same choice, so… there is no difference.May 20 15:35
schestowitz__his github photo is the same as the 2013 gnome foundation photoMay 20 15:35
schestowitz__XRevan86: yes, I pointed this outMay 20 15:36
schestowitz__(that he uses shithubMay 20 15:36
schestowitz__but he used it even 4 years ago)May 20 15:36
schestowitz__back then RMS warned about it, even in 2015May 20 15:36
schestowitz__before MicrosoftMay 20 15:36
schestowitz__"Handshake Fan."May 20 15:36
schestowitz__How to interpret thatMay 20 15:36
schestowitz__ 20 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Imperial Family CompaniesMay 20 15:37
schestowitz__Under "technology" is says Shells and FreenodeMay 20 15:37
XRevan86schestowitz__: He likes Handshake very much, I assume that.May 20 15:38
schestowitz__that's andrew and his siblingMay 20 15:38
schestowitz__Shells is not for me/usMay 20 15:38
schestowitz__but for beginners I thinkMay 20 15:38
schestowitz__maybe when he said he would take IRC to the next level he meant some sort of integration, which can explain Shells in the Freenode siteMay 20 15:38
XRevan86 this thingMay 20 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HandshakeMay 20 15:38
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schestowitz__as long as that does not disrupt operations, I don't mind much...May 20 15:38
schestowitz__XRevan86: that's what I thoughtMay 20 15:38
schestowitz__but does that mean it's him?May 20 15:39
schestowitz__someone inquired about itMay 20 15:39
schestowitz__ 20 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Foundation receives $1 million from Handshake — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareMay 20 15:39
schestowitz__worth notingMay 20 15:39
schestowitz__it does not imply collusionMay 20 15:40
XRevan86schestowitz__: Es ist er.May 20 15:40
schestowitz__but rather refutes such a theoryMay 20 15:40
zleapwho are handshake ?May 20 15:40
schestowitz__"Rob Myers of Handshake said, "The FSF is a worldwide leader in the fight to protect the rights of all computer users through its support for the production of free software, including the GNU operating system and its campaigns to raise awareness such as Defective by Design. Handshake is proud to be able to support the FSF in its important work to secure our freedom.""May 20 15:40
zleap:)May 20 15:40
schestowitz__if they paid FSF with no strings attached, GREAT!May 20 15:40
schestowitz__better than dirty  moneyMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__like IBM moneyMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__or GoogleMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__which restrict what RMS and FSF at large can say publiclyMay 20 15:41
meomoney with no strings attached becomes dirty in a whiffMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__for risk of non-renewal the next yearMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__meo: so show the stringsMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__same for pi fundMay 20 15:41
schestowitz__which also paid sfcMay 20 15:42
schestowitz__"John Sullivan, FSF's executive director, said, "Building on the $1 million Bitcoin gift from the Pineapple Fund earlier this year, and our record high number of individual associate members, it is clear that software freedom is more important than ever to the world. We are now at a pivotal moment in our history, on the cusp of making free software the 'kitchen table issue' it must be. Thanks to Handshake and our members, the Free May 20 15:42
schestowitz__Software Foundation looks forward to scaling to the next level of free software activism, development, and community.""May 20 15:42
schestowitz__I never thought this money played ANY role in the coupMay 20 15:42
meomost of the SJWs who mounted the attack on RMS and FSF met at seagl 2020, which was funded, in part, by redhat. No one back then thought it was dirty money.May 20 15:42
schestowitz__the coup seems to have been motivated and motored by media with monopoly connectionsMay 20 15:42
schestowitz__meo: yes, red hat and ibm worry me moreMay 20 15:42
schestowitz__fsf never spoke about systemd negativelyMay 20 15:43
schestowitz__not even when this was critical back around 2014May 20 15:43
schestowitz__rms also used to make excuses for mono until we raised the issues repeatedly with himMay 20 15:43
meoyeah but then GNU developed shepherd, which is actually a better tool in every wayMay 20 15:43
schestowitz__ 20 15:43
meothe whole shenanigans is why I dropped debian and switched to guixMay 20 15:44
schestowitz__guix is not more rms-hostile than debianMay 20 15:44
techrights-bot#elive more than 12 years ago #debian #gnu #linuxMay 20 15:45
techrights-bot#microsoft is a magnet for crazies with more greed or smell for money than tact 20 15:46
schestowitz__"$100,000 for GNU Guix and GuixSD, a package manager supporting transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management, per-user profiles, and more, as well as a distribution of the GNU operating system using that package manager;"May 20 15:47
schestowitz__meo:  from the fsf siteMay 20 15:47
baronhk[m]1 20 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Good riddance, Internet Explorer! | Vivaldi BrowserMay 20 15:47
meoschestowitz__: yep. May 20 15:47
meodont get me wrong the guix project has a coc and SJWish people who went against RMSMay 20 15:48
schestowitz__Even people who said abandon freenode told me that rasengan was well-meaningMay 20 15:48
schestowitz__not all, but someMay 20 15:48
meobut the fact is, when redhat pulled the systemd stunt gnu responded with actionMay 20 15:48
meonot wordsMay 20 15:48
schestowitz__systemd's LP posted a blog post the other dayMay 20 15:48
schestowitz__first time in agesMay 20 15:48
meo(in point of fact, guix and shepherd predate this hubbub by years)May 20 15:48
schestowitz__indirect link: 20 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lennart Poettering: File Descriptor Limits | Tux MachinesMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__it's still buddyMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__*buggyMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__it's like going back to the 90sMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__with more hardware resourcesMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__and using them up moreMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__with colours in terminal and "shiny" stuff most of us don't care forMay 20 15:49
schestowitz__because we use this not on servers and we want quick boot, easy diagnostics etc.May 20 15:50
schestowitz__red hat/ibm want one-size-fits-allMay 20 15:50
schestowitz__inc. waylandMay 20 15:50
schestowitz__or xwaylandMay 20 15:50
schestowitz__as a bridgeMay 20 15:50
techrights-botThe EPO's War on Justice and Assault on the Law -- Part 15 will likely be published tonight. It'll soon show how #EPO spies intensively on #techrights and people. Crazy fucking Mafia... right there in the centre of Munich's business hub!May 20 15:51
techrights-bot#EPO stakeholders, you pay money (applications, renewals) for a bunch of aggressive crooks to hire lawyers to blackmail bloggers and for spies (literally connected to the Stasi via a firm called Desa) to eavesdrop on people who expose EPO #corruptionMay 20 15:53
*XRevan86 reads newsMay 20 16:02
XRevan86FSIN (a successor to GULAG) plans to create labour camps, they say those camps won't be gulags.May 20 16:02
schestowitz__FSIN?May 20 16:10
schestowitz__sounds like a f* sinMay 20 16:10
XRevan86The Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN)May 20 16:17
techrights-botThe Boards of Appeal are trying to get their act together; #Josefsson has been removed from case/referral G 1/21 and #IngoBeckedorf is rumoured to have also been replaced • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ •●• #Techrights #EPO | Gemini address: gemini:// 20 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | TechrightsMay 20 16:18
techrights-botIn 20 days of this month #gemini capsule of #techrights will have exceeded 100k requests (pages). Last month it was 104k in 30 days. #geminiSpace expands as #geminiProtocol gains in popularity.May 20 16:20
techrights-bot#EPO has seen not even a figment of justice under the #BenoîtBattistelli and #AntónioCampinos regimes; it’s all theatrical, it’s fiction [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ •●• #Techrights #Europe | Gemini address: gemini:// 20 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice | TechrightsMay 20 16:21
schestowitz__US would have turned FSIN into a corporationMay 20 16:22
schestowitz__and then "Create" more "job creators"May 20 16:22
schestowitz__"success stories"May 20 16:22
schestowitz__"self-made billionaire"May 20 16:22
XRevan86Chief Camp Administration (GULAG) → Chief Penitentiary Administration (GUIN) → Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN)May 20 16:22
schestowitz__mad it big with a government contractMay 20 16:22
schestowitz__*madeMay 20 16:23
XRevan86> But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that.May 20 16:26
XRevan86Maybe, but what most of the staff considered crossing the line was the demand to give access to Freenode infrastructure, right?May 20 16:26
XRevan86I am still unsure about this bit, because according to rasengan he was asking back for access that was revoked, but the other party presents it very differently.May 20 16:27
XRevan86> (she’s female by the way)May 20 16:29
XRevan86Does that really need explicit clarification?May 20 16:29
XRevan86schestowitz__: The Gentoo link needs to be updated.May 20 16:32
XRevan86Regarding "Crown Prince", the article on The Register references 20 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrew Lee Named New Korean Crown PrinceMay 20 16:34
XRevan86schestowitz__: So it's not some kind of slur, he is actually a Korean Crown Prince by title.May 20 16:35
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trttlfrom what i understood what happened is not that complicatedMay 20 16:46
trttlthe then current now former staff was unhappy with the consequences of the agreements between christel and andrew lee (which is understandable and i think their concerns were/are very legit), so they took action and tried to force both of them outMay 20 16:46
trttlthey succeeded with christel but the whole plot backfired when they wanted the domains and realized andrew lee/his company is the legal owner of the domains and likely has the legal right to use the freenode nameMay 20 16:46
trttlguess that was the point when it became clear what time it was and they started putting together their own networkMay 20 16:46
trttland resignation drafts started leaking when things were more or less readyMay 20 16:47
XRevan86trttl: I don't understand how tomaw got a hold on the domains account?May 20 16:47
XRevan86rasengan gave it and then tomaw removed rasengan from it?May 20 16:47
trttlmaybe the head of staff had access because andrew lee trusted christel but christel handed over her credentials to tomaw when she resignedMay 20 16:54
XRevan86trttl: That doesn't sound plausible.May 20 16:54
trttlbecause?May 20 16:55
XRevan86trttl: "after Christel had resigned, I was approached by the new Head of Staff, tomaw, who asked if he could have ownership over the domains. I responded with my wish to decentralize the network. Subsequently, I learned I was locked out of the account a few days later."May 20 16:56
XRevan86Was that response a deny?May 20 16:57
trttli think so yesMay 20 16:57
XRevan86Then how did tomaw get access?May 20 16:58
trttljust because you can log in to some account doesn't mean it's yoursMay 20 16:58
XRevan86trttl: I have a feeling like when rasengan talks about the account, he means something relating to freenode itself, not to the domains.May 20 16:59
XRevan86maybe his own personal account on the network?May 20 17:00
trttlliterally says he wanted ownership over the domainsMay 20 17:00
trttlwhich was deniedMay 20 17:00
trttlyou can argue that andrew lee is lying but then there's not much to talk aboutMay 20 17:00
XRevan86trttl: I argue that he wrote the explanation in such a way that it is open to interpretation.May 20 17:01
trttlwell that's my interpretationMay 20 17:03
trttlanyway the damage was done 4 years ago. if you sell something you can expect that the buyer would want to own itMay 20 17:06
XRevan86trttl: Um, I think Libera.Chat can agree with that, so they left.May 20 17:06
XRevan86trttl: Ariadne wrote this: "Historically, freenode staff had stated that everything was under control and that Andrew’s involvement in freenode limited had no operational impact on the network.  It turns out that Christel was lying to them: Andrew had operational control and legal authority over the freenode domains.  This lead to several current volunteers drafting their resignation letters."May 20 17:07
XRevan86Her twist on it is not unique, it's just the one I have currently open in my browser.May 20 17:08
trttli read this and i don't see how is this contradicting what i said earlierMay 20 17:09
XRevan86trttl: "Ye voted for Putin in 2000, hadn't ye, now suck it up" is not a valid argument.May 20 17:10
trttlexcuse me?May 20 17:10
rasenganXRevan86: I'm in and out right now, but in regard to your question about the account - it was the domain that I was locked out of (which I had previously had full access to).May 20 17:10
XRevan86rasengan: So the head of Freenode staff had full access to the domains too?May 20 17:11
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CrystalMathschestowitz__: after getting more information, i'm now sure that we should not moveMay 20 17:11
rasenganXRevan86: YesMay 20 17:11
XRevan86rasengan: I guess that makes sense since they'd need control over the zone.May 20 17:12
rasenganFor sureMay 20 17:12
CrystalMathschestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenodeMay 20 17:12
XRevan86rasengan: So tomaw got access to the account as head of staff and then changed the password while not being the proper owner of that account?May 20 17:14
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rasenganXRevan86: Almost -- what he did was he added 2FA which only he had the secondary auth for (and refused to disable it).May 20 17:16
XRevan86rasengan: How did he justify that? Security?May 20 17:16
trttllolMay 20 17:17
rasenganThere really was no justification.May 20 17:23
rasenganThe timing having happened after asking me for ownership is why I struggle to justify that action.May 20 17:23
XRevan86What does "ownership" mean here? He wanted the domain names to be transferred to him from Freenode, Ltd.?May 20 17:24
rasenganYesMay 20 17:24
XRevan86rasengan: One interpretation that comes to mind: tomaw after expelling christel saw that Freenode, Ltd. has control over the network and wanted to physically restrict that. Since legal measures (domain transfer) didn't work, he went for taking away operational control by adding 2FA, making himself the only person that could do things with the domains.May 20 17:33
XRevan86rasengan: I haven't talked to tomaw or anyone else from that camp, but it feels like the whole thing revolves around trust issues.May 20 17:34
rasenganXRevan86: Or so they say. ;)May 20 17:35
XRevan86rasengan: tomaw clearly wanted to completely remove you from the equation. And ye clearly see him as someone who got hold on power and used it to usurp the whole network.May 20 17:36
rasenganXRevan86: I'm going to share a timeline of events that's far more detailed with screenshots today to make it much more clear what was going on to everyone.May 20 17:36
XRevan86rasengan: On an unrelated note, has anyone who wanted to resign changed their mind?May 20 17:38
XRevan86Haven't heard of such an event, but it seems like a possibility and be good to know.May 20 17:38
rasenganXRevan86: Not that I know of.May 20 17:39
XRevan86rasengan: How many people are left? Surely the network now needs to elect a new head of staff, a new head of web development, etc.May 20 17:41
rasenganThere are a few steps still to take but I agree with you on thatMay 20 17:43
XRevan86 "all he tried to do since christel stepped down was get his inhouse sysadmin access to everything; a business May 20 18:07
XRevan86should have access to its assets"May 20 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | the whole freenode kerfluffle – Ariadne's SpaceMay 20 18:07
XRevan86rasengan: Was nirvana talking about the registrar account?May 20 18:07
*XRevan86 reads the paste and feels like every second word from nirvana rubs Ariadne the wrong way.May 20 18:09
XRevan86"but. you can ban your enemies." – the heckMay 20 18:11
trttlyeah that nirvana dude is cringeMay 20 18:11
XRevan86"i was just trying to make you laugh" – ah, hilarious.May 20 18:11
XRevan86nirvana talks about this very serious matter like it's a joke.May 20 18:13
MinceRperhaps it's not as serious as most people thinkMay 20 18:14
XRevan86MinceR: Ariadne talks about a governance model, nirvana talks about "ill make sure you get +oO in #freenode"May 20 18:14
rasenganHey, so regarding nirvana, I'm pretty sure by the time he and Ariadne were speaking this had been about securing freenode, period.May 20 18:17
rasenganAs for the rest of the conversation he and Ariadne had, I think that's quite a bit taken out of context -- they are (or rather, I'd say were) friends and had worked together on things together in the past.  That's how they spoke to each other usually (you can see how Ariadne really speaks in the freenode-staff-discussion log).May 20 18:18
XRevan86schestowitz__: > (23:30:44) Ariadne: we are going to dissolve freenode limited and transfer the freenode assets to either the software freedom conservancy or linux foundationMay 20 18:18
rasenganUnfortunately, it appears there was a motive and agenda behind the conversation, logging of it and release thereof.May 20 18:18
alextee[m]^ lol is that real?May 20 18:19
alextee[m]or joking?May 20 18:19
XRevan86alextee[m]: It's Ariadne's suggestion on what should be done.May 20 18:20
MinceRi still find the idea of trusting the LF or the SFC with anything to be ludicrousMay 20 18:20
alextee[m]linux foundation and software freedom conservancy are the most corrupt organizations involved with free softwareMay 20 18:20
alextee[m]linux foundation even gives 100% of its proceeds to fund things completely unrelated with linux nor free softwareMay 20 18:21
XRevan86rasengan: I'm still reading through, it feels like nirvana hasn't dived into the situation at all and was only there to recruit, and it wasn't what Ariadne wanted to hear at all.May 20 18:22
alextee[m]not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversityMay 20 18:22
MinceRlolMay 20 18:23
XRevan86From 23:44:00 on forward it gets more serious.May 20 18:24
XRevan86Discord's support agreed to just delete my blocked-out account.May 20 18:29
*XRevan86 mentioned that while reading the /kill portion of the paste.May 20 18:30
XRevan86rasengan: Yea, I think that conversation clashed with Ariadne's vision of the Freenode's future very harshly.May 20 18:36
XRevan86Ho, I didn't know tomaw is uninvolved with Libera.Chat either.May 20 18:36
XRevan86So he was just thrown out everywhere?May 20 18:36
MinceRhe's also involved with OFTCMay 20 18:37
MinceRi guess we'll find out what his relationship with freenode and libera is on the long termMay 20 18:37
XRevan86MinceR: rasengan's involvement is pretty much to kick out tomawMay 20 18:38
XRevan86MinceR: (00:00:44) Ariadne: you see it as an attack against freenode, when in reality, they are boycotting both you and tomaw.May 20 18:39
XRevan86MinceR: And that's what kaniini writes about Libera.Chat in that paste.May 20 18:39
MinceRoh, i missed that tomaw stopped showing up in freenode/staff/*May 20 18:40
XRevan86MinceR: I mean, this whole thing revolves around the tomaw's and rasengan's conflict.May 20 18:41
XRevan86so of courseMay 20 18:41
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XRevan86Would it be weird if Freenode joined SPI?May 20 18:52
XRevan86now that's an organisation with good reputationMay 20 18:52
MinceRhasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM?May 20 18:57
travankorwhy should freenode join spi?May 20 18:58
travankorrasenga n is in chargeMay 20 18:59
XRevan86travankor: If trust in governance is a problem, then having a trusted organisation as a mediator can help.May 20 19:00
XRevan86MinceR: Eh?May 20 19:00
MinceRXRevan86: SPI has close ties with debian, allegedly also with systemdMay 20 19:00
XRevan86MinceR: With Debian – very much so.May 20 19:00
XRevan86MinceR: With systemd – SPI accepts donations for systemd.May 20 19:01
MinceRdebian serves IBM's interests and has betrayed its usersMay 20 19:01
travankorI was under the impression that it's bdfl style governance from here on outMay 20 19:02
travankorwe're part of the royal family brosMay 20 19:03
MinceRi'm not feeling itMay 20 19:03
travankorbdfl or royal family?May 20 19:03
MinceRthe latterMay 20 19:03
travankorwell, we have the princeling in here, don't we?May 20 19:05
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MinceRyes, but we're not related to himMay 20 19:06
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travankordarn, i was hoping we could vicariously partake in the Joseon dynasty's glory, maybe as courtiers or somethingMay 20 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355410)May 20 19:27
travankorby the way, did anyone else see this: 20 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Let's take IRC FurtherMay 20 19:30
travankorwhen are we going to get IRC university et al?May 20 19:30
travankor>We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes!May 20 19:33
travankor>IRC Ventures (VC/Incubation on IRC!)May 20 19:34
travankor>Free Education for the WorldMay 20 19:34
travankoram I the only person getting Trumpian vibes from these grandiose promises?May 20 19:35
psydroiddon't we have khan academy for that?May 20 19:40
travankorkhan is video-heavy, rightMay 20 19:43
travankori prefer text over videoMay 20 19:43
travankorvideo-heavy instruction*May 20 19:43
MinceR 20 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KHAAAAAAN! - YouTubeMay 20 19:45
MinceRalso, i didn't know dump was into free education :>May 20 19:47
travankorsalespeople pitch whatever makes the masses satedMay 20 19:59
scientesXRevan86, 20 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia Will Become Muslim Soon! Entire Regions Being Sold Out to Turkish Emigres! - YouTubeMay 20 20:00
scienteswhat happened to the bot?May 20 20:01
scientesI don't understand this "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach.May 20 20:01
travankorisn't that armenia not georgiaMay 20 20:02
scientesthe reporter is in Batumi, where I am nowMay 20 20:02
scientesit is beyond rediculousMay 20 20:02
*XRevan86 opens the video, listens to some heavy propaganda subtitled in English.May 20 20:03
travankorXRevan86: lolMay 20 20:03
scientesXRevan86, but the propoganda is so outlandishMay 20 20:03
scientesit is almost The OnionMay 20 20:03
travankorgeorgians betrayed the armeniansMay 20 20:04
travankorvideo is from 2019May 20 20:04
XRevan86Makes sense, that was the time when Russia blocked transit to Georgia.May 20 20:05
XRevan86scientes: Ye can't surprise me, I have to live with it %).May 20 20:05
scientesok, it is just a differn't strategy from US propogandaMay 20 20:06
scientesso not familiar to meMay 20 20:06
scientesI saw a little CCCP propoganda for chinese, it was INTENSEMay 20 20:06
scientesall violenceMay 20 20:06
scientesUS propoganda is all about making people angry at cloudsMay 20 20:07
scientesso that they are horrible conversation partnersMay 20 20:07
travankorrussia should just annex georgia honestlyMay 20 20:07
MinceRThought for the day: Violence solves everything.May 20 20:07
scientestravankor, there was a MP who suggested annexing Armenia and AzerbaijanMay 20 20:08
scientestravankor, you have no idea what you are talking aboutMay 20 20:08
XRevan86scientes: I like how the reporter asks a guy who works at a restaurant, he readily responds, talks about his work, the goods he's makingMay 20 20:08
XRevan86and it's all painted as a foreign evil that's overtaking GeorgiaMay 20 20:09
travankorgeorgian are very xenophobic from what i've heardMay 20 20:09
travankorthey even treat their armenian neighbours terriblyMay 20 20:09
scientes"from what i've heard"May 20 20:09
scientestravankor, you should travelMay 20 20:10
scientesnot just to georgia, but outside of your mother's basementMay 20 20:10
XRevan86> It is always clean at the Turkish restaurantsMay 20 20:10
XRevan86heheheheMay 20 20:10
scientesXRevan86, yeah, that's a good one. Some Turkish restaurants, maybe. Turkish quarter, no, not really.May 20 20:11
schestowitz__[17:12] <CrystalMath> schestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenodeMay 20 20:12
schestowitz__Not sure what you saw...May 20 20:12
CrystalMathschestowitz__: i was just reviewing all the factsMay 20 20:13
XRevan86scientes: Anyway, it isn't healthy to listen to Russian propaganda, because it doesn't shy away from blatantly lying, not just twisting facts.May 20 20:13
scientesгрузия?May 20 20:13
scientesXRevan86, yeah, that is why I posted itMay 20 20:13
XRevan86scientes: In general.May 20 20:13
scientesI am living here, and it is so far from reality to resemble The OnionMay 20 20:13
schestowitz__[18:22] <alextee[m]> not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversityMay 20 20:14
schestowitz__This a lieMay 20 20:14
schestowitz__a lady who helps us research looked into itMay 20 20:14
schestowitz__and found 20 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define “Support” | TechrightsMay 20 20:14
scientesschestowitz__, as is anything that funds "inclusivity and diversity"May 20 20:14
XRevan86scientes: It is also why everyone tells never to participate in state-sponsored television, because if they want ye in there, they ye'll be used as a tool.May 20 20:14
XRevan86* want youMay 20 20:15
scientesXRevan86, it is also like participating with The OnionMay 20 20:15
schestowitz__[18:57] <MinceR> hasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM?May 20 20:15
MinceRXRevan86: you sound like Elminster with all those "ye"s :>May 20 20:15
scientesit can only hurt your reputationMay 20 20:15
schestowitz__Google and Microsoft mostlyMay 20 20:15
XRevan86MinceR: Ye said it exactly at the point when I misused it :)May 20 20:15
MinceRschestowitz__: it's all a big happy family now, isn't it?May 20 20:15
*scientes wishes he knew where the Turkish hammam in Batumi wasMay 20 20:16
schestowitz__MinceR: overlapping interestsMay 20 20:17
MinceRthey'd all be one government institution together, if the state didn't intend to maintain an illusion of competitionMay 20 20:17
XRevan86scientes: Orthodox Christianity is in danger, can't ye see!?May 20 20:20
travankorXRevan86: lolMay 20 20:20
MinceRit would be nice if the rest of abrahamism was also in dangerMay 20 20:21
XRevan86 only a Different Path can save itMay 20 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Путин путь иной - YouTubeMay 20 20:21
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 20:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LLVM Clang 12 Compiler Is Performing Very Well For AMD Ryzen 9 5950X / Zen 3 | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:22
XRevan86(scientes and MinceR know a little Russian and may be able to appreciate this video)May 20 20:22
techrights-bot#Gnome : New Human Interface Guidelines • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gtkMay 20 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gnome: New Human Interface Guidelines | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:22
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scientesXRevan86, the slant on the propoganda is so think that it makes me think the only way to get people to swallow it is with lots of violenceMay 20 20:24
techrights-bot#Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:24
techrights-bot#TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:24
scientes(which is certainly what the CCCP propoganda I saw was)May 20 20:24
techrights-bot#Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘x 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:24
XRevan86scientes: The modus-operandi is an informational vacuumMay 20 20:24
scientesahhhMay 20 20:25
scientesyes, Soviet continuationMay 20 20:25
scientesXRevan86, but is there like 2 levels? One level is the continuous "us good, them evil" slantsMay 20 20:25
scientesbut I guess like most propoganda it changes so fast, and it is generally contradictive, and doesn't care that it isMay 20 20:26
scientesUS propoganda modus operandi is creating an environment where it is impossible to talk about problemsMay 20 20:26
scientesby filling heads with prejudiceMay 20 20:27
travankorgood thing Ukrainians don't listen to muscovitesMay 20 20:27
XRevan86travankor: Have ye heard of Shariy?May 20 20:28
travankorrussian stooge?May 20 20:30
XRevan86travankor: yeaMay 20 20:30
travankorrussians try be very psychologically manipulativeMay 20 20:31
scientesXRevan86, the information vacum makes sense, that way they can keep shipping off the money of the one-industry townsMay 20 20:31
scientestravankor, little DostoevskysMay 20 20:32
XRevan86travankor: And being very blunt about it.May 20 20:32
scientesCrime and More CrimeMay 20 20:32
scientesXRevan86, yeah, still haven't gotten use to thatMay 20 20:32
scientesmost distinct from South AmericaMay 20 20:32
XRevan86I think they are getting more and more blunt over the years.May 20 20:32
scienteslike how they just showed up and put the president of the far east in prison in moscow?May 20 20:33
XRevan86I meant propaganda.May 20 20:33
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XRevan86but actions tooMay 20 20:33
scientessimilar to the assassination of Gaddafi minus the assassination and bombingMay 20 20:33
AdmFubar 20 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Debacle Prompts Staff Exodus, New Network | HackadayMay 20 20:34
techrights-bot#Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E11 – Pigs Eating Shot #gnu #linuxMay 20 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | S14E11 – Pigs Eating Shot | Ubuntu PodcastMay 20 20:34
techrights-bot#nvidia #openwashing 20 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA update their NVAPI open source interface helping "Windows emulation environments" | GamingOnLinuxMay 20 20:35
XRevan86rasengan: "Eventually, he and his associates started to seek out and install new staff members on the authority of the so-called “Freenode Board”, an entity which until that at point in time, did not exist."May 20 20:36
scientesXRevan86, he also found out he was a descendent of a Koran royal familyMay 20 20:37
scientesso now the news also says "Korean prince"May 20 20:37
scientesor some other nonsenseMay 20 20:37
XRevan86AdmFubar: I think they messed up the timeline.May 20 20:37
MinceRhow long until the next upgrade?May 20 20:37
MinceRking, emperor, somethingMay 20 20:37
scientesCÆSERMay 20 20:37
techrights-bot#Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ I really love #NoiseTorch #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trying Out NoiseTorch to Reduce Background Sound/Noise in GNU/Linux | TechrightsMay 20 20:38
MinceR:>May 20 20:38
scientesMinceR, doesn't quite top the Chinese Emperors, who always claims that they ruled the entire worldMay 20 20:39
XRevan86AdmFubar: "Clearly, we haven’t heard the last of this story" – for sure.May 20 20:39
techrights-botThe company in #spain that makes #gnu #linux laptops that don't cost too much #SlimbookMay 20 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FINALLY an affordable LINUX LAPTOP? - Slimbook Essential 14 - YouTubeMay 20 20:39
MinceR:>May 20 20:39
MinceRi guess china invented the american worldview before the usa existed :>May 20 20:39
XRevan86Imperialism is not new?May 20 20:40
scientesYeah, but they don't have the ability to turn the water off to all of southeast asiaMay 20 20:40
MinceR:>May 20 20:40
scientesthe Mekong riverMay 20 20:41
scientesthey will remake Apocolypse Now! where at the end there is a giant pandaMay 20 20:41
scientesthat likes to eat honeyMay 20 20:41
scientesand has "Winnie the Pooh" written on his houseMay 20 20:41
schestowitz__"longpanda" makes ventoyMay 20 20:42
schestowitz__which I'm told might be a privacy riskMay 20 20:42
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schestowitz__people who say that overlook US spyingMay 20 20:42
schestowitz__so it's a little ludicrousMay 20 20:42
MinceRis that like long pig?May 20 20:42
schestowitz__pigtailsMay 20 20:43
alextee[m]schestowitz__: i'm pretty sure there was a page that said 100% of the funds will go to diversity programsMay 20 20:43
alextee[m]i'll look for itMay 20 20:43
techrights-bot"To give a shout out to TNgineers, they worked with us on sorting out Linux gamepad support as Game Maker Studio does some really weird things with their #GNU #Linux support." 20 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chilled-out super sweet Bee keeping game APICO has a huge new demo out | GamingOnLinuxMay 20 20:44
alextee[m]i remember seeing it under the linux foundation's official web siteMay 20 20:44
scientesalextee[m], you can send the funds to meMay 20 20:44
scientesI am diverseMay 20 20:44
scientesI exist in many places at the same timeMay 20 20:44
schestowitz__alextee[m]: it's corporate feelgoodMay 20 20:44
schestowitz__and contributes to gccMay 20 20:44
schestowitz__which compiles linuxMay 20 20:44
scientesthey don't contribute to gccMay 20 20:45
scientesthat would require technical competenceMay 20 20:45
alextee[m]do they? how?May 20 20:45
techrights-bot#GodotEngine needs more funding for post-4.0 development if they have more resources, maybe they can set up their own #gitlab that they control and #deletegithub for project sovereigntyMay 20 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Godot Engine needs more funding for post-4.0 development | GamingOnLinuxMay 20 20:46
AdmFubar 20 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Big Tech Goes All In to Thwart Right to Repair Initiatives | naked capitalismMay 20 20:47
techrights-bot#freesw good, but better to #deletegithub which is #proprietarySoftware #github is not a friend of software but a force of occupation: 20 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If you love Heroes of Might and Magic II do check out this open source reimplementation | GamingOnLinuxMay 20 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMay 20 20:47
schestowitz__AdmFubar: as one might expectedMay 20 20:48
schestowitz__we need to thwart "big tech"May 20 20:48
schestowitz__whatever that isMay 20 20:48
schestowitz__nebulous conceptMay 20 20:48
techrights-botLooks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on GNU/Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinux ⇨ •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming 🐧May 20 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinuxMay 20 20:49
MinceRmy wallet is diverseMay 20 20:49
MinceRadding some USD to EUR to it would make it even more diverseMay 20 20:50
schestowitz__LF isn't opinion-diverseMay 20 20:51
schestowitz__also not OS-diverseMay 20 20:51
alextee[m]i found itMay 20 20:51
alextee[m] 20 20:51
alextee[m]this was the exact textMay 20 20:51
schestowitz__they need to hire people who ACTUALLY USE "Linux"May 20 20:51
alextee[m]now i hope people in that thread posted the link to it. i remember visiting itMay 20 20:51
alextee[m] this is the threadMay 20 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | /g/ - Technology » Searching for posts that contain ‘linux foundation diversity’.May 20 20:52
alextee[m]er that's the search wait lolMay 20 20:52
scientesXRevan86, 20 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is This Place Real? (Barentsburg) - YouTubeMay 20 20:53
alextee[m] here, no linksMay 20 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | /g/ - Technology » Thread #78413039May 20 20:53
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alextee[m]people in the thread also mention that it was on the linux foundation's website. i guess it's gone now and I can't find a linkMay 20 20:55
techrights-botChristian Schaller: New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team #redhat #ibmMay 20 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team — Christian F.K. SchallerMay 20 20:55
scientesThat is a weird job postingMay 20 20:56
scientesconsidering that Red Hat was behind a MASSIVE reverse engineering job on the nouveau driverMay 20 20:56
techrights-bot#Games : APICO, Godot, and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: APICO, Godot, and More | Tux MachinesMay 20 20:57
MinceRalextee[m]: maybe it's still on archive.orgMay 20 20:58
MinceRor archive.isMay 20 20:58
techrights-bot"The benefits of having IBM's endless deep pockets. Billions and billions and billions for Linux. #RedHat was already no slouch before the merger. Does #QT have an #IBM of its own behind it? (I genuinely don't know)" 20 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Even More Graphics Engineers - Phoronix ForumsMay 20 20:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Known Stock Market Leverage Hits WTF High. Out the Other Side of Its Mouth, the Fed Warns About Hidden Leverage that Blew up Archegos | naked capitalismMay 20 20:59
alextee[m]MinceR: I'll check later, bblMay 20 20:59
techrights-bot"Racial equity can fix this cloud problem" 20 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 21:00
AdmFubar 20 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's official: The Mac has a security problem - NewsMay 20 21:01
techrights-bot"If you stay with IBM, be prepared for them to cut you at any time. And always be looking for a better job with a better company than the one you are currently with. There is a great life beyond #IBM - take a peek!" 20 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 21:01
techrights-bot"Work the least, take the maximum time off, take advantage of any learning opportunities while at IBM... #IBM will never reward you if you work hard." 20 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Post @ydc+1aWWuTE5 re: "What should an..." (regarding IBM)May 20 21:01
MinceRah, casus belli to lock third party applications out even harderMay 20 21:01
MinceRthe cupertino mafia already made it hard to run applications like xonotic on macos, i guess soon they'll make it even harder to sideload applicationsMay 20 21:02
techrights-bot"Quantum always reminds me of the bubble storage IBM advertised back in the 1960’s. How did that work out.. Yes, but this is 10+ years away to see any revenues... so, this is not relevant in today's market. And the way #IBM hypes it (as usual), they will probably not see a penny!" 20 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 21:02
techrights-bot#BodhiLinux 6 - Full Review new #gnu #linux review...May 20 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What’s New in Bodhi Linux 6? 4 New Updates to Look Out For | Tux MachinesMay 20 21:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BSD Now 403: The Linuxulator InvestmentMay 20 21:07
techrights-botThe Best #PowerPoint Alternatives for GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ First section is #freesw options. #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Best PowerPoint Alternatives for Linux | Tux MachinesMay 20 21:12
techrights-botThis soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino Blog ⇨ •●• #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 20 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino BlogMay 20 21:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Now That’s Hilariou…Wait, No, That’s Actually Kinda Disturbing (30 Pics)May 20 21:23
techrights-bot#Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⇨ •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 20 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - PhoronixMay 20 21:23
techrights-bot"Last month, we wrote about Allwinner D1 SBC & processor that promised to offer a relatively low-cost #RISCV #Linux solution. We were not given a name at the time, but there was a logo of Nezha, a fictional character from Chinese literature." 20 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up - CNX SoftwareMay 20 21:25
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techrights-bot"The channel on Freenode is still active, but may be closed in the near future." No reason to. Be on both if you need to. Fair enough. 20 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | #remirepo IRC channel on Libera network - Remi's RPM repository - BlogMay 20 21:29
techrights-botI've seen no strong reason to leave #Freenode ... don't follow the herd. Freenode still works fine.May 20 21:30
techrights-bot#zdnet on behalf of #ibm and #linuxfoundation : MASTER as a word is RACIST! Offensive, insensitive. Also ZDNet, when paid for spam: mastering... mastering... mastering... mastering... 20 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn all about Linux, Ubuntu, and more for just $20 | ZDNetMay 20 21:31
techrights-bot#ibm is just making a CARICATURE of otherwise LEGITIMATE race issues. It's trying hard to confuse and distract the public from, e.g. 20 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 20 21:33
techrights-bot#TechRepublic - which is part of #zdnet (a MARKETING firm runs them, NOT a news site!) - is still spamming for #microsoft #azure ... which has LAYOFFS. And they pay a Microsoft operative, Simon Bisson, to do so...May 20 21:35
techrights-botLinux App Support on #Chromebooks is Coming Out of Beta #google too is trying to redefine what #gnu #linux is or meansMay 20 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux MachinesMay 20 21:36
techrights-bot"I installed #KDENeon on the main studio PC and not really liking it. Let's just go back to Debian and my first livestream install when I had 1,000 subs." #kde #gnu #linuxMay 20 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Back to Debian - Distrohop Week - YouTubeMay 20 21:38
alextee[m]schestowitz__:  MinceR 20 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Donate to Support Open Source – The Linux FoundationMay 20 21:39
alextee[m]this was their main donation pageMay 20 21:40
alextee[m]clearly says 100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs.May 20 21:40
MinceRindeedMay 20 21:40
techrights-bot#ibm wants you to add complexity. Because it sells. 20 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Announcing the winners of the Build Smart on Kubernetes Challenge 2021 – IBM DeveloperMay 20 21:42
techrights-botAudiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, #BSDNow , TLLTS, #Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, BSDNow, TLLTS, Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast | Tux MachinesMay 20 21:43
psydroidTechRepublic in the old daysMay 20 21:44
techrights-bot" #Kubernetes is about giving up control. As someone who likes to understand what’s going on that’s made it hard for me to embrace it. I’ve also mostly been able to ignore it, which has helped. However I’m aware it’s incredibly popular, and there’s some infrastructure at work that uses it." 20 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Losing control to KubernetesMay 20 21:44
psydroid 20 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why does Microsoft hate Linux? - TechRepublicMay 20 21:44
scientespsydroid, is that a question?May 20 21:44
psydroidnot mineMay 20 21:45
scientes 20 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gimli Destroys the Ring - YouTubeMay 20 21:45
MinceRlolMay 20 21:46
techrights-bot"#1 thing to do is to stop caring about IBM. The declines will probably continue, and it is hard to watch something you care about die. But the stress is not worth it. So stop caring." #ibm #layoffsMay 20 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 21:49
techrights-botBoth companies are lying. They will say or resell whatever awful "tech" makes them money see 20 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon, Microsoft say they’ll do what’s right on biometrics, but suits raise questions | Biometric UpdateMay 20 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsMay 20 21:52
XRevan86 20 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xen project Mailing ListMay 20 21:53
techrights-bot"Linux for Chromebooks" #Chromebooks #gnu #linuxMay 20 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux MachinesMay 20 21:56
MinceRis this the same ian jackson as the one who used to be debian project leader?May 20 21:56
MinceRand CTTE memberMay 20 21:56
XRevan86MinceR: That would be a reasonable assumption.May 20 21:56
MinceRthat one has also signed the hatchet job against RMSMay 20 21:57
XRevan86and left a Debian committee over systemdMay 20 21:57
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baronhk[m]1Not libav? 😎May 20 22:00
*XRevan86 reads 20 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — 20 22:01
XRevan86> The freenode limited board does not recognize youMay 20 22:03
trttlyeah that log with joepie's childish manipulative questionsMay 20 22:04
baronhk[m]1LibAV was retarded and exposed people to rotting codecs with security problems and not a lot else before it was finally abandoned.May 20 22:04
trttlthat person is the most annoying being on the internetMay 20 22:04
baronhk[m]1Debian makes a lot of bad decisions.May 20 22:04
XRevan86Freenode didn't recognise the Freenode Board's authority over it.May 20 22:05
techrights-botShenandoah garbage collection in #OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing #java #programmingMay 20 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Shenandoah garbage collection in OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing | Red Hat DeveloperMay 20 22:05
baronhk[m]1Eventually there were so many open CVEs in LibAV that had been fixed in FFmpeg that switching back became an emergency.May 20 22:06
baronhk[m]1But Debian delayed doing so anyway.May 20 22:06
baronhk[m]1Meanwhile, they managed to break automated conversation scripts on Debian twice.May 20 22:08
techrights-bot#Graphics : Intel, #NVIDIA and #Mesa • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Graphics: Intel, NVIDIA and Mesa | Tux MachinesMay 20 22:09
techrights-botIBM/Red Hat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 20 22:09
techrights-botBrowser fuzzing at #Mozilla #Firefox #securityMay 20 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Browser fuzzing at Mozilla – Attack & DefenseMay 20 22:10
techrights-bot#Tuxedo Infinity Book Pro 14 is a Linux laptop with Intel Tiger #gnu #linuxMay 20 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux MachinesMay 20 22:14
MinceR 20 22:15
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techrights-bot#proprietarySoftware 20 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Update: Do You Know What’s In Your Software? - NextgovMay 20 22:17
baronhk[m]1MinceR Dahmer baited gay men and ate them after having sex with them.May 20 22:18
baronhk[m]1One of them escaped and had been drugged. The cops returned him to Dahmer and we're on tape laughing about it.May 20 22:18
MinceRwho is "we"?May 20 22:18
baronhk[m]1*wereMay 20 22:18
MinceRoh.May 20 22:18
baronhk[m]1Fucking autocorrect.May 20 22:18
techrights-botSame people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds 20 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xen project Mailing ListMay 20 22:19
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 20 22:19
baronhk[m]1To serve and protect.May 20 22:20
MinceRgiving humans power over other humans worked out as it usually doesMay 20 22:20
XRevan86"Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" – proofs?May 20 22:21
baronhk[m]1About the best you can do with the police is try to avoid drawing their attention. Often even when you're the victim of a crime.May 20 22:21
techrights-bot#Sonoff & #Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX Software ⇨ •●• #security #Hardware #cnxsoftwareMay 20 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sonoff & Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX SoftwareMay 20 22:21
techrights-botDifferent buzzwords, very often used in #surveillance context 20 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Data Lake, Data Lab, Data Hub: what’s the difference? | UbuntuMay 20 22:23
schestowitz__[21:57] <MinceR> that one has also signed the hatchet job against RMSMay 20 22:24
schestowitz__yes, you beat me to itMay 20 22:24
schestowitz__[22:19] <techrights-bot> Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds 20 22:24
schestowitz__ 20 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘Linusgate’ Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | TechrightsMay 20 22:25
schestowitz__"May 20 22:25
schestowitz__I am told that Linus was sent the CoC.  None of the rest of theMay 20 22:25
schestowitz__attendees to Debconf was grilled by the organisers to extract aMay 20 22:25
schestowitz__promise to behave themselves.May 20 22:25
schestowitz__"May 20 22:25
schestowitz__-IanMay 20 22:25
schestowitz__ 20 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14May 20 22:25
schestowitz__"May 20 22:26
schestowitz__I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking aMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__class defined by a behaviour.  But I agree that such a statement, putMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__so baldly, would be troublesome.May 20 22:26
schestowitz__Stefano's talk clearly implied a negative view of some corporations,May 20 22:26
schestowitz__certainly, and shows that it's possible to be respectful while beingMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__passionate, critical, and clear.May 20 22:26
schestowitz__Ian.May 20 22:26
schestowitz__"May 20 22:26
schestowitz__ 20 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14May 20 22:26
schestowitz__So...May 20 22:26
schestowitz__cannot criticise an org?May 20 22:26
schestowitz__f-ing weirdMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__maybe I can be banished for 'badmouthing' racist IBMMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__ 20 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14May 20 22:26
schestowitz__"May 20 22:26
schestowitz__I felt the CoC had been violated and made a complaint.  I hope you areMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__not saying that you feel that that was `abuse' of the process on myMay 20 22:26
schestowitz__part, even if you disagree with my opinion.May 20 22:27
schestowitz__"May 20 22:27
baronhk[m]1Today in CNN trying to cause a race war...May 20 22:27
schestowitz__ 20 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14May 20 22:27
schestowitz__"My problem was with the _way Linus expressed_ his views of the FSF."May 20 22:27
schestowitz__WTF?May 20 22:27
schestowitz__Cannot condemn the FSF?May 20 22:27
schestowitz__I suppose the FSF, but defend people's right to blast itMay 20 22:27
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trttl>I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a class defined by a behaviour.May 20 22:27
trttlamazingMay 20 22:27
schestowitz__Maybe he worries people will 'badmouth' CitrixMay 20 22:28
schestowitz__as if orgs are racesMay 20 22:28
schestowitz__ore gendersMay 20 22:28
MinceRi 'badmouthed' citrix when i had to use it :>May 20 22:28
schestowitz__orgs or companies are brnadsMay 20 22:28
schestowitz__*brandsMay 20 22:28
MinceRica client made rdp look goodMay 20 22:29
trttlyeah. it's hard to believe that people are actually this confusedMay 20 22:29
schestowitz__Citrix is as odious as Ian <-- is this a CoC violation?May 20 22:29
schestowitz__Notice how they try to control LinusMay 20 22:29
schestowitz__like telling him what he can and cannot sayMay 20 22:29
schestowitz__even in the abstract aboyut orgsMay 20 22:30
schestowitz__CoC as ego trip for people who try to police those above themMay 20 22:30
schestowitz__or below themMay 20 22:30
schestowitz__because they are, by definition, well-meaningMay 20 22:30
baronhk[m]1CoC is not well meaning. It's meant to disguise itself that way.May 20 22:31
techrights-botWTH. Headline: "Microsoft Teams is now invading your personal life" ... Huh? It ALWAYS invaded everything. And it should be unlawful in many contexts, inc. #gdpr #microsoftMay 20 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | TechrightsMay 20 22:31
baronhk[m]1I was confused when I was thrown out of Ubuntu Forums for disparaging comments about a company going against their CoC.May 20 22:32
baronhk[m]1Like companies had feelings.May 20 22:32
baronhk[m]1Then I got warned by Fedora that making comments about why people should avoid Nvidia was against their CoC.May 20 22:32
baronhk[m]1Nvidia will never fix their poorly written driver as long as open source software goes out of its way to hide their bugs for them.May 20 22:33
MinceR"corporations are people, my friend!"May 20 22:33
baronhk[m]1IBM has been paying people to do just that.May 20 22:33
baronhk[m]1There are now Nvidia kludges in GNOME, KDE, X, Xwayland, Wayland, various games....May 20 22:34
techrights-bot"Ubuntu Center on Racism, Global Movements and Population Health Equity." intersection between racism and health; seems a little far off, but depends on the country... and its health system.May 20 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Drexel Names New Center on Racism and Health, Center Director | Now | Drexel UniversityMay 20 22:35
baronhk[m]1The OpenGL and Vulkan libraries are dispatch dummies so that Nvidia will stop overwriting parts of the OS and then not putting things back the way they were.May 20 22:35
techrights-bot#Security and #ProprietarySoftware • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #TuxMachinesMay 20 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security and Proprietary Software | Tux MachinesMay 20 22:35
baronhk[m]1The Nvidia installer intentionally broke the OS in a subtle way that people probably would not figure out. It reminded me of AOL breaking Dial Up Networking so you'd need to reinstall Windows to use a different ISP.May 20 22:36
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baronhk[m]1They had their 800 number staff trained to not answer questions about how to fix the existing Windows install and immediately go to a hard sell offering you cheaper AOL prices for a few months.May 20 22:38
techrights-botThe worst argument against #UBI #FinanceMay 20 22:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The worst argument against UBI | Stop at Zona-MMay 20 22:38
baronhk[m]1This is basically the "Why do we care if you have problems after canceling us? You won't be paying us anymore." method.May 20 22:40
techrights-botAlmost 3,000 new #covid19 cases in the #uk today, so it's going up, and rather fast IMHO. Expect another lock-down late summer or autumn, no matter what our chronic liar 'Pry Minister' says (sociopaths with documents)May 20 22:40
schestowitz__[22:01] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — 20 22:42
schestowitz__The title of this doc is self-harmingMay 20 22:42
schestowitz__implied malicious intend and immaturityMay 20 22:42
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schestowitz__[22:21] <XRevan86> "Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" – proofs?May 20 22:45
schestowitz__see IRC further on, with links (about Torvalds; I can add the RMS ones, esp. the GR push)May 20 22:45
techrights-botFaster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register #Python #programmingMay 20 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Faster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register • The RegisterMay 20 22:53
MinceR 20 22:53
trttlit's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the otherMay 20 22:54
techrights-bot"An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now at 6,701 signatures. 20 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 6,700 Signatures in Support of Richard Stallman’s Return to the FSF’s Board | TechrightsMay 20 22:55
schestowitz__[22:54] <trttl> it's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the otherMay 20 22:56
schestowitz__Yeah, I TOTALLY want our IRC channels to be managed by THOSE ->>> peopleMay 20 22:56
schestowitz__doing things 'for the lols'May 20 22:56
techrights-botStatus update for #MoonGem - #Geminiserver with inline# Lua scripting #geminispace #geminiprotocolMay 20 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Status update for MoonGem - Gemini server with inline Lua scriptingMay 20 22:57
techrights-bot"Yes. But the senior management will mess it up and ibm will not make any money. You just have to look back at watson and watson health. Remember the excitement and awe after the jeopardy game?" #ibm #hype #racistWatson 20 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 22:58
techrights-botDaniel Stenberg: “I could rewrite curl” #curl #deletegithubMay 20 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-“I could rewrite curl” | daniel.haxx.seMay 20 22:58
XRevan86rasengan: What happened first: registrar account take-over or the resignation letter draught leak?May 20 22:59
techrights-botTop 10 #GNULinux Distros for #Students • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 Linux Distros for Students | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:01
techrights-bot"We know #IBM is restructuring and they've set money aside for it. But when are the layoffs going to happen? I see/hear nothing about how many, who, what, where and when. Is the axe likely to fall before end 2Q, 3Q, 4Q or is it one big fake-out?" 20 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 20 23:02
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techrights-bot#GNU #FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released #feeeswMay 20 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU FreeIPMI - News: FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released [Savannah]May 20 23:05
XRevan86> (16:49:26) amdj: rasengan: as you've already been told several times, no-one has resigned, and the letters you have were not sent to you by us. wake up.May 20 23:06
techrights-botNew Project To Convert #ArchLinux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Project To Convert Arch Linux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:06
XRevan86The things Andrew wrote in 20 23:07
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trttlso they were fired?May 20 23:12
techrights-botA Spooky Cute House - #Krita Digital Painting Timelapse #KDE #gnu #linuxMay 20 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Spooky Cute House - Krita Digital Painting Timelapse - David RevoyMay 20 23:12
XRevan86trttl: Judging by "The freenode limited board does not recognize you as a volunteer or any staff or operator of freenode.  Please remove yourself from ops and operator status.", something like that.May 20 23:13
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▆▃▅▁▁▆▄▄▃▄▁▂▅▆▁▁▅▃▄▅▂▁▂▄▁▃▂▃▅▅▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 21.20 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▂▃▁█▂▁▁▄▂█▁▂▂█▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▆█▁█▁▁▂▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 71.40▕ swarm size (avg): 225.14  ⟲May 20 23:15
techrights-botCan a #trademark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? It’s all a matter of tradition #law #trademarksMay 20 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Can a trade mark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? It’s all a matter of tradition - The IPKatMay 20 23:15
XRevan86> the infra team is granted access by means of sshMay 20 23:16
XRevan86> the sponsors own them, but lose access as well (well, direct access, I assume they can walk to their basement and just shut it down)May 20 23:16
techrights-bot"This suggests to me either a lack of understanding of the legal principles underpinning the independence of the judiciary or, more likely, a desire to continue as Chair of the EBA despite the obvious problems of partiality (ie where he would be effectively deciding whether his own actions were in accordance with the EPC). Either way, this is not a good look for the President of the Boards of Appeal." http://patentbloMay 20 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: patentblog; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://patentblog )May 20 23:16
techrights-botThis is illegal and the #EPO keeps breaking the law while relying on #kangaroocourts to say "OK" see 20 23:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - EPO further extends pilot for opposition hearings by VICOMay 20 23:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | TechrightsMay 20 23:18
schestowitz__XRevan86: what is going on in your assessment?May 20 23:20
*schestowitz__ still puts together notes for another upcoming update about freenode statusMay 20 23:21
trttlthat's just ridiculous. all public posts the staff members made use the word resignationMay 20 23:21
XRevan86schestowitz__: I'm reading that paste, and the way things look there is Andrew Lee barged in, started claiming that he accepted the "resignation letters" and asked the "resigned" staff to leave.May 20 23:22
techrights-bot"Until #Python 3.8, the best way to read entry points from Python was to use pkg_resources, a somewhat clunky module that is part of setuptools." 20 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Make your API better with this positional trick from Python 3.8 | Opensource.comMay 20 23:22
schestowitz__XRevan86: whose paste is it?May 20 23:22
schestowitz__based on the headline, there might be missing contextMay 20 23:22
XRevan86schestowitz__: It's from #freenodeMay 20 23:22
schestowitz__to suit sme narrativeMay 20 23:22
XRevan86No, it's a very verbose paste.May 20 23:22
XRevan86Almost too much, I have to read a lot of off-topic.May 20 23:23
schestowitz__I see...May 20 23:23
schestowitz__things omitted near the edges might still be importantMay 20 23:23
schestowitz__people tend to cut things where to suits themMay 20 23:23
XRevan86Just two hours of #freenode, raw.May 20 23:23
schestowitz__happens a lot in video footageMay 20 23:23
schestowitz__XRevan86: ok, fair enoughMay 20 23:23
XRevan86schestowitz__: It doesn't look like it's missing context.May 20 23:24
XRevan86the first message in it looks like a starting announcementMay 20 23:24
XRevan86and then whatthehecksMay 20 23:24
MinceR(cat) 20 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355134)May 20 23:25
techrights-botRemap your Caps Lock key on #Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Remap your Caps Lock key on Linux | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:26
schestowitz__MinceR: <3May 20 23:30
XRevan86schestowitz__: I still have no idea who that tomaw person is. He is barely even mentioned in third person.May 20 23:32
schestowitz__Tom A WMay 20 23:32
schestowitz__I was told about him last monthMay 20 23:32
XRevan86I also don't know what happened at SnoonetMay 20 23:33
XRevan86they say Andrew Lee was involved in some controversy there some time agoMay 20 23:33
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:21 BST] <xxx>and was approached by tom wesley (board at OFTC)May 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:26 BST] <xxx>who asked me about my role in the RMS thingMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:31 BST] <xxx>since i did some PR counter-campaign workMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] <xxxx>i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by himMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:54 BST] <xxxx>when he did he issued it for both networksMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:59 BST] <xxxx>as he is staff at both networks nowMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:17 BST] <xxxx>i connected to oftc by proxy to talk to their staffMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:25 BST] <xxxx>tomaw had doug freed (dwfreed) step inMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:31 BST] <xxxx>who reissued the klineMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:36 BST] <xxxx>and it expired at oftcMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:41 BST] <xxxx>and i cleared it up w/ freenodeMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:47 BST] <xxxx>by talking to their staffMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:34:32 BST] <xxxx>it consistently ties back to debian and their sphere of influence which includes tom wesley, doug freed, and some of the other freenode staff -- not all of them.  freenode's official position will probably stay neutral while these bad actors run amokMay 20 23:35
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:00 BST] <xxxx>until today dwfreed approached me againMay 20 23:36
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:10 BST] <xxxx>and issued a kline with no explanation other than "harassment, lol"May 20 23:36
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:20 BST] <xxx>and this kline was once again on both oftc and freenodeMay 20 23:36
schestowitz__[Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:31 BST] <xxx>i have worked it out w/ oftc but not freenode yetMay 20 23:36
schestowitz__like I said, you need to know who's who...May 20 23:36
schestowitz__freenode is not a monolithMay 20 23:36
baronhk[m]1schestowitz Did you see where Apple admitted there was quite a bit of malware on the Mac in court?May 20 23:36
schestowitz__some people are in frreenode and ubuntu council at the same timeMay 20 23:36
XRevan86schestowitz__: I don't see anything out of the ordinary here.May 20 23:37
schestowitz__so they have mixed obligations and loyaltiesMay 20 23:37
baronhk[m]1The Chief of Security for the company says quite a few friends of his ended up with malware on their Macs.May 20 23:37
baronhk[m]1He told the judge that if they lifted the app store lockdown then the same thing would happen to iOS.May 20 23:37
baronhk[m]1Gatekeeper on the Mac can be turned off from the terminal. In the default state, however, you can't install anything that isn't either from the app store or at least signed by Apple.May 20 23:39
baronhk[m]1Most Mac malware just figures out how to get around signing by tricking Apple into giving them a developer certificate.May 20 23:39
baronhk[m]1So Gatekeeper doesn't do much. It prevents people from running random binaries they found somewhere unless that attacker is determined to evade signing by abusing Apple's process, which does happen.May 20 23:40
XRevan86> (17:09:090 Fuchs: MIF: the one that got leaked via hacker news and techrights,  basicallyMay 20 23:41
XRevan86an unexpected techrights mentionMay 20 23:41
techrights-bot2 months after #suse decided to libel the founder of #gnu #linux 20 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SUSE and SUSECON Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:41
schestowitz__XRevan86: I talked to him about it over emailMay 20 23:43
XRevan86> (17:11:07) badastronaut: rasengan: you do realize you stand alone here right? no one is on your side, no one believes your words over people who pour their hearts and souls into freenode for decades. if you do this you'll be left with network you don't know how to operate with no help and few servers, left holding the pieces of the thing you destroyedMay 20 23:43
techrights-bot#PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #psql #postgresMay 20 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:43
XRevan86(17:13:38) zoite: A_D, he also hired rdv [nirvana], the previous owner of snoonet, which was found to be logging and spying on users private messages to eachother over the networkMay 20 23:45
XRevan86That's the person from the Ariadne's logs.May 20 23:46
techrights-bot#LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 20 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 | Tux MachinesMay 20 23:46
techrights-bot"I do have some amd64 hardware revived and it is running Xubuntu Impish Indri. It is very early on so it is not as if there has been any opportunity for anything to go wrong." 20 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Say What Now?May 20 23:47
rasenganXRevan86: KindOne faked it; he was never spying on users.  He admitted it on irc a few days ago.  Terrible.May 20 23:47
XRevan86rasengan: How to fake that?May 20 23:48
rasenganXRevan86: The log 'where he spoke about it' was faked.May 20 23:49
schestowitz__logging and spying are connected and I assume freenode does log. Not a new thing, not limited to freenodeMay 20 23:49
schestowitz__in general, posting sensitive things in IRC isn't wiseMay 20 23:49
schestowitz__unless you control the networkMay 20 23:49
rasenganfreenode the network isn't logging, but anyone in any channel could be anyway.May 20 23:50
schestowitz__thanksMay 20 23:50
schestowitz__PIA was found not to be loggingMay 20 23:50
schestowitz__so for the time being I might even assume it's "just as good" (or bad) as prior to 2019May 20 23:50
techrights-botMan-made concepts crash and burn 20 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Thoughts On The Recent Crypto Crash - YouTubeMay 20 23:51
XRevan86rasengan: So it's slander?May 20 23:51
*schestowitz__ doesn't trust random pastesMay 20 23:51
rasenganYesMay 20 23:51
schestowitz__XRevan86: that's not a reliable paste given its titleMay 20 23:54
schestowitz__it's motivated by intention to malign, not informMay 20 23:54
schestowitz__WTF/ 20 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC network: Freenode is dead - long live Libera Chat! - Market Research TelecastMay 20 23:54
MinceR 20 23:55
XRevan86schestowitz__: I think rasengan will confirm that the paste is a one-to-one copy of #freenode from the designated time. And the first line in it is probably the first post by rasengan there.May 20 23:55
schestowitz__HVS is dead – long live BETAMAX!May 20 23:55
schestowitz__VHSMay 20 23:55
XRevan86I've somehow managed to understand even less than before.May 20 23:55
MinceRnegative information? :>May 20 23:56
XRevan86overwhemling, I don't know what to trust, especially considering the inherent subjectivity of the whole situationMay 20 23:56
XRevan86Human relations are in the equation.May 20 23:57
MinceR 20 23:57
MinceR:>May 20 23:57
baronhk[m]1I don't really care as long as I don't get dmca letters.May 20 23:58
kingoffrancenot sure i follow (or is that the unreliable paste?)   "who asked me about my role in the RMS thing" "since i did some PR counter-campaign work   [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] <xxxx> i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him"    <-- is this someone who was supposedly klined for defending RMS?   "counter-campaign" ?May 20 23:59

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