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CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: COVID-19 still fails to beat the current seasonal flu by death countMar 19 00:12
CrystalMathhonestly i hope it wasn't actually manufactured as a bioweaponMar 19 00:13
CrystalMaththat'd be really embarassing for the manufacturerMar 19 00:13
brendyynthe flu has a head start for at least thousands of yearsMar 19 00:15
brendyynand with china putting in so much to fight it, its been tempered somewhatMar 19 00:16
DaemonFC[m]The fake numbers while it continues to get worse probably help them too.Mar 19 00:39
brendyynwhat numbers are fakeMar 19 00:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Charter staff told to report to offices despite positive coronavirus tests – TechCrunchMar 19 02:53
cybrNaut^ Charter Communications is the parent company of Spectrum.  15,000 employees are being denied the option to work from home.Mar 19 02:53
cybrNautlike Boeing, Charter is also an ALEC memberMar 19 02:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, if I answer the phone for my bill collectors I'll tell them to get the Coronavirus and die.Mar 19 03:03
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DaemonFC[m]Nah, that's a crime under Illinois telephone harassment laws.Mar 19 03:03
DaemonFC[m]But not if you say it to their face.Mar 19 03:03
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scientes_What the hell is wrong with people?Mar 19 03:40
scientes_Every time flu season comes around everyone freaks outMar 19 03:40
roy-on-ted-boxwhat we have now is not just some fluMar 19 03:40
roy-on-ted-boxItaly is an exampleMar 19 03:40
scientes_did they get raised as bubble boys?Mar 19 03:41
scientes_how is it not just the flu?Mar 19 03:41
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roy-on-ted-boxdeath ratesMar 19 03:42
roy-on-ted-boxrisk ratesMar 19 03:42
scientes_and the CDC web site has nothing about the "why do I give a shit?" questionMar 19 03:42
roy-on-ted-boxhospitalisation ratesMar 19 03:42
roy-on-ted-boxeveryone (almost) may get it at the en dMar 19 03:43
roy-on-ted-boxbut it is spreading too fast at the moment, enough to collapse the health systemsMar 19 03:43
roy-on-ted-boxso the goal is to slow down the spread a bitMar 19 03:43
scientes_so you mean it is like the yellow fever or the early 20th century?Mar 19 03:43
roy-on-ted-boxthat would also give time to make better medication of vaccinationMar 19 03:43
scientes_1918Mar 19 03:43
roy-on-ted-boxour antibiotics are getting weakerMar 19 03:44
roy-on-ted-box1918 pandemic killed the youngMar 19 03:44
roy-on-ted-box20-40Mar 19 03:44
roy-on-ted-box(ages)Mar 19 03:44
roy-on-ted-box50-100 million dead (later estimations)Mar 19 03:44
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scientes_but seriously, I havent seen one credible description of WHY I give a shitMar 19 03:45
scientes_just a bunch of "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING"Mar 19 03:45
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scientes_and the numbers are so all over the place as to be completely distrustworthyMar 19 03:46
cybrNautscientes_: you have no elderly family close to you?Mar 19 03:46
scientes_and the government has been scaring us over and over again about this stuffMar 19 03:46
scientes_so I don't trust itMar 19 03:46
scientes_cybrNaut, yeah, my neighbors carried out their dead mother a few months agoMar 19 03:47
scientes_dead happensMar 19 03:47
scientes_it is a fact of lifeMar 19 03:47
cybrNautah, well if you don't care about life, then you're right.. you're not going to find a reason to give a shit about thisMar 19 03:47
scientes_cybrNaut, how many people died of car accidents this year so far?Mar 19 03:47
scientes_yet do they report those in the news, even when it was in the same city, rather than half way around the globe?Mar 19 03:48
scientes_seriously, you have no sense of scaleMar 19 03:48
cybrNautwhen you get in a car, you understand and accept the risksMar 19 03:48
scientes_COUGH COUGH BULLSHITMar 19 03:48
cybrNautwhen someone shakes your hand, you don't expect or accept these risksMar 19 03:49
cybrNautdon't like it? cycle. And stay on cycling paths.  You don't have to participate in traffic w/carsMar 19 03:49
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scientes_I don't think you have ever actually used a bicycle as primary transportation.Mar 19 03:51
cybrNautnonsenseMar 19 03:51
scientes_and bicycles are far less safe anyways, because the smaller vehicle always is crushedMar 19 03:51
cybrNauti've not used a car as primary transportation for 10yrs nowMar 19 03:51
cybrNautmost of my cycling was on cycling pathsMar 19 03:51
cybrNaut& non-busy roadsMar 19 03:52
scientes_superkuh, roy-on-ted-box this only looks scary until you see the age histogramMar 19 03:58
scientes_of death, and not contractionMar 19 03:58
scientes_this is the same much ado about nothing as SARS wasMar 19 03:59
scientes_and H1N1 before thatMar 19 03:59
scientes_the government loves attentionMar 19 03:59
scientes_and they love the people to think them as the rescuersMar 19 03:59
scientes_but hospitals are the #1 cause of deathMar 19 03:59
scientes_you are more likely to die if you go to the hospital than if you stay homeMar 19 03:59
scientes_because of super-bugsMar 19 03:59
scientes_this information is super easy to findMar 19 03:59
scientes_it just isn't blasted on the air waves 24/7Mar 19 03:59
scientes_roy-on-ted-box, they shouldn't be using the antibiotics for this anyways, I mean, it isn't even a bacteria.......Mar 19 04:00
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roy-on-ted-boxscientes_: fine then, be a  trafficker of a dangerous virusMar 19 04:17
roy-on-ted-boxand don't lecture Italy on what's really going on thereMar 19 04:17
roy-on-ted-box(because it's really quite grim, and would be VASTLY worse had people not stayed home)Mar 19 04:18
roy-on-ted-boxyou might not see the death tolls we're told about yet, but only because  actions are being takenMar 19 04:18
roy-on-ted-boxeven a friend of mine who denies global warming phone me yesterday and he takes this pandemic seriouslyMar 19 04:18
roy-on-ted-boxthe circles often occupied by nuts like to compare this to flu deathsMar 19 04:19
roy-on-ted-boxbut that is not the po int Mar 19 04:19
roy-on-ted-box*pointMar 19 04:19
roy-on-ted-boxit's like comparing this to traffic accidentsMar 19 04:19
roy-on-ted-boxthis is no fluMar 19 04:19
roy-on-ted-box\Mar 19 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Coronavirus Is Unlike Anything in Our Lifetime, and We Have to Stop Comparing It to the Flu — ProPublicaMar 19 04:20
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oiaohmroy-on-ted-box: really depends what flu you are comparing to.  H3N2 from 1968 is  that is strian of influenza ie flu.  as a 3 percent adverage death told with 12-15 percent elderly death toll.   Coronavius like is not unknown in anylife time who is older than 34 years old.Mar 19 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDCMar 19 04:41
oiaohmroy-on-ted-box: H3N2 has basically the same death curve as the current CoronavirusMar 19 04:42
oiaohmIts been a while.Mar 19 04:42
oiaohmYou see a lot of comparing to flu without stating strain.   Yes stating strain of flu is important there is large verations in flu death tolls between strains.Mar 19 04:46
oiaohmPlease note H3N2 is not the most lethal flu ever.Mar 19 04:46
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oiaohmH2N2 in the top 10 of the most lethal flu stains ever.  To be techically correct to be called flu it has to be Influenza something.Mar 19 04:47
roy-on-ted-boxanother parameter is reach/spreadMar 19 04:48
roy-on-ted-boxthe rates are fine and well is contained within some religionMar 19 04:48
oiaohmH2N2 got global spread.Mar 19 04:48
roy-on-ted-boxthe current pandemic affects so many citiesMar 19 04:48
oiaohmSo H2N2 is a fair compare to coronavirus.Mar 19 04:49
roy-on-ted-box 20,000 deaths IIRCMar 19 04:49
roy-on-ted-boxthis one could be millionsMar 19 04:49
roy-on-ted-boxdepending on what's being doneMar 19 04:49
oiaohmH2N2 was stopped by quarantine processes and slower transport speeds.Mar 19 04:50
roy-on-ted-box228k confirmed 19 04:50
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roy-on-ted-boxoiaohm: this one isn't or wasn't taken seriouslyMar 19 04:50
roy-on-ted-boxjapan managed to squash it apparently, singpoare alsoMar 19 04:51
roy-on-ted-boxthey were better prepared, based on SARS experiencesMar 19 04:51
oiaohmFor virus lethally and human to human spread coronavirus and H2N2 are basically the same. Mar 19 04:51
oiaohmThe increased  Coronavirus damage is mostly our poor response.Mar 19 04:51
oiaohmand lack faster transport systems.Mar 19 04:52
roy-on-ted-boxyour country declared national emergency days agoMar 19 04:52
oiaohmback then.Mar 19 04:52
roy-on-ted-boxbut, hey, what do you know...Mar 19 04:52
roy-on-ted-boxsome Aussie known as oiaohm knows betterMar 19 04:52
roy-on-ted-boxnot their health department etc.Mar 19 04:52
roy-on-ted-boxThey actually studied past pandemicsMar 19 04:53
oiaohmReally bigger emergency has been stupid internet fuel hording.Mar 19 04:53
oiaohmThat risk triggering like stuffed up sewage systemsMar 19 04:53
oiaohmIts bad enough having a virus problem.  Without people not being able to buy tollet paper due to hording so now using incorrect things down tollets so screwing up sewage systems on top.Mar 19 04:54
roy-on-ted-boxwhat bsMar 19 04:54
roy-on-ted-boxas if the crisis is people overbuying paperMar 19 04:54
roy-on-ted-boxthat's missing the pointMar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxor even buying too much of other thingsMar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxneither you nor I are contagious diseases expertsMar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxI have a friend who isMar 19 04:55
oiaohmits not just paper.  Like people are over buying medical supplies.Mar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxhe's retired nowMar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxthey have a reason to take it this seriouslyMar 19 04:55
roy-on-ted-boxand that has nothing at all to do with overbuyingMar 19 04:55
oiaohmIt does when that over buying is increasing person to person conact.Mar 19 04:56
oiaohmwith people fighting over stuff.Mar 19 04:56
oiaohmSo increase spread rates.Mar 19 04:56
roy-on-ted-boxthe projection is, hospitals fill up too fastMar 19 04:56
roy-on-ted-boxso assuming most people catch it at some stage we need to slow it downMar 19 04:56
oiaohmThis is a nasty secondary effect.Mar 19 04:56
oiaohmthat is speed up spreed.Mar 19 04:57
oiaohmYes controlling the virus you are attempt to slow down spreed.Mar 19 04:57
oiaohmwhen you have items like hording screwing stuff up this increases person to person conact.   Then you have people hording in fact person to person fighting for stuff.Mar 19 04:58
roy-on-ted-boxnot the pointMar 19 04:58
roy-on-ted-boxnot at allMar 19 04:58
roy-on-ted-boxand we drift awayMar 19 04:59
oiaohmSo as horrible as it sounds one of Australia current worse problems is not exactly the virus but those who are hording and that their behavours will increase spread rates.Mar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxrationing in worst caseMar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxwe have enough foodMar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxmaybe poorly distributed due to panicMar 19 04:59
oiaohmrationing has started.Mar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxbut people can share with family and neighbour, though then it passes fasterMar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxand they discourage food sharingMar 19 04:59
oiaohmNot because we are out of stuff really just because of how bad this stupidity is.Mar 19 04:59
roy-on-ted-boxrationing started only in the buying limits sense afaikMar 19 05:00
roy-on-ted-boxmaybe au is differentMar 19 05:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | #FlattenTheCurve | sunweaver's NETMar 19 05:01
oiaohmshop here are opening the first hour of the day for the eldly only  and rationed amount on the stuff people have been stupid buying.Mar 19 05:01
oiaohmLike who really need to buy 200 rolls of tollet paper.Mar 19 05:01
oiaohmand this stupid buying has lead to fights from those who will be missing out.Mar 19 05:02
oiaohmSo increasing human to human contact.Mar 19 05:02
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oiaohmroy-on-ted-box: really would you be thinking that you would have a virus out break and you would have people fighting in stores over tollet paper when it a person to person spread disease.Mar 19 05:04
oiaohmWe have kind of a moron problem here in Australia at the moment that needs to be sorted out.Mar 19 05:05
roy-on-ted-boxhardly the real issueMar 19 05:05
roy-on-ted-box1) it's not about  tissue papers (kitchen towels etc.)Mar 19 05:05
roy-on-ted-box2) human contact does not come mostly from the disputes over (1)Mar 19 05:05
roy-on-ted-box3) the over-buying is not the real issueMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxthe real issue is infection rates and severityMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxand that led to many businesses coming to a  haltMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxwhich means people stay homeMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxwhich means they shop less and start hoardingMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxbut the real issue is the strain of the systemMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxboth financial and medicalMar 19 05:06
roy-on-ted-boxso let's qui talking about dead trees, aka toilet rollsMar 19 05:07
roy-on-ted-boxit's missing the pointMar 19 05:07
roy-on-ted-boxpeople can wipe their rectum with water and hands, as some countries still doMar 19 05:07
oiaohmIt is kind of missing the point I agree.  The stupid panic has pushed our spread rate up.Mar 19 05:07
roy-on-ted-boxrunning water isn't at risk, maybe except in places like .AU with droughtsMar 19 05:08
roy-on-ted-boxthe panic buying is a symptomMar 19 05:08
roy-on-ted-boxit's not like in developed countries people will starveMar 19 05:08
roy-on-ted-boxor die from rectal infectionsMar 19 05:08
oiaohmalso the starting hoarding and doing it wrong by hordering stuff they should not will lead to food poison cases on top of the virus problem.Mar 19 05:08
roy-on-ted-boxthat might be a real issue, but..Mar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxmany people hoard dry foodsMar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxrice etc.Mar 19 05:09
oiaohmSo you have a virus problem and these hoarding issues will stress your medical even more.Mar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxwe have a fridge full of fresh foods, but that's not unusualMar 19 05:09
oiaohmBut that is not the only things they are hoarding and that is the problem.Mar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxpushing past expiry dates -- maybeMar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxbut I heard no such thingMar 19 05:09
roy-on-ted-boxso find me an article about thatMar 19 05:10
oiaohmroy-on-ted-box:  there always on going stuff on food poisoning in this country when there is not hordering.   We have seen all the chicken in a store be bought out this is a item you are warned need correct care.Mar 19 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Preventing food poisoning - health.vicMar 19 05:13
oiaohmThis problem is going to kick in if it not stopped soon.Mar 19 05:13
oiaohmbecause normally the population does not store particular items right and you have minor food posioning problems.Mar 19 05:13
roy-on-ted-boxoiaohm: this web page is not newMar 19 05:14
roy-on-ted-boxand I doubt people panic-buy chickenMar 19 05:14
oiaohmThe problem is not new.Mar 19 05:14
roy-on-ted-boxthere's not enough of it to panic-buy anywayMar 19 05:14
oiaohmI have seen in the stores first hand.Mar 19 05:14
roy-on-ted-boxlivestock is dangerous if expiredMar 19 05:14
roy-on-ted-boxpeople know thatMar 19 05:14
roy-on-ted-boxalso people can use freezers for theseMar 19 05:15
oiaohmShould know that but actions are saying otherwise.Mar 19 05:15
roy-on-ted-boxshow me evidence it's not a bigger problem than before the panicMar 19 05:15
oiaohmWe have seen spikes in food posioning after floods.Mar 19 05:15
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oiaohmand less volume of hording was done then.Mar 19 05:16
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oiaohmthan now.Mar 19 05:16
oiaohmbasically we are currently in unexplored area with hording.Mar 19 05:16
roy-on-ted-boxfloods...Mar 19 05:16
oiaohmQuestion is how many deaths is that going to be on top of the virus,Mar 19 05:16
roy-on-ted-boxbut that's not what we have nowMar 19 05:16
roy-on-ted-boxshow me reports of food poisoningMar 19 05:16
roy-on-ted-boxI watch headlines about covid19 all day longMar 19 05:16
roy-on-ted-boxhundreds of themMar 19 05:17
roy-on-ted-boxnone mentioned thisMar 19 05:17
oiaohmThere is a delay on the food posioning from the panic to its effects landing.Mar 19 05:17
roy-on-ted-boxso it seems to be overstating something off-topicMar 19 05:17
roy-on-ted-boxoh, look!!! Pandemic... watch out... for food poiningMar 19 05:17
roy-on-ted-boxWatch out!!! Less ass-wipingMar 19 05:17
roy-on-ted-boxyou are distracting from the real issueMar 19 05:17
oiaohmRemember if the effects of the food poisoning hit when the virus is pushing medical to limit it will be the straw that breaks everything.Mar 19 05:18
roy-on-ted-boxoiaohm: the food gets redistributedMar 19 05:18
roy-on-ted-boxstuff from the fridge isn't grabbed much right nowMar 19 05:18
roy-on-ted-boxI see it in stores Mar 19 05:18
roy-on-ted-boxpeople go for stuff like pasta and soy milkMar 19 05:19
roy-on-ted-boxwhich takes like a year to expireMar 19 05:19
roy-on-ted-boxlet's focus on the main issueMar 19 05:19
roy-on-ted-boxwhich isn't the after-effect of people having large stocks of toilet papers at homeMar 19 05:20
oiaohmI have people who work in Australia retail supply they have seen spikes in items that should not have been.Mar 19 05:20
oiaohmThose do have effects.Mar 19 05:20
oiaohmVirus is one problem but hording setting off these other things you really don't need on top.Mar 19 05:21
oiaohmSo regulation has to kick in and stop the hording as well as attempt to control virus spread.Mar 19 05:21
oiaohmroy-on-ted-box: the tollet paper problem is the fact that local supplies are only so big so when that got stripped people have bought items that should not be flushed to be used instead and this is going to cause problems for water treatment.Mar 19 05:23
oiaohmpart of dealing with illness you need good water.Mar 19 05:24
oiaohmBasically looking at what was purchased basically rings alarmbells on what is coming.Mar 19 05:24
oiaohmyou can get a 3 to 4 week warning on most of these problems.Mar 19 05:25
oiaohmand that happens to line up with when we expect covid-19 to be at it worst.Mar 19 05:25
scientes_roy-on-ted-box, it would help me if they didn't cry wolf about this every god damn yeah for my entire lifeMar 19 05:32
scientes_The human immune system is far superior to anything a hospital can provide.Mar 19 05:33
roy-on-ted-boxtell that to people who died 102 years agoMar 19 05:36
roy-on-ted-boxthe black death isn't a thing of the pastMar 19 05:36
roy-on-ted-boxbut our communications system lets us better coordinateMar 19 05:36
scientes_ 19 05:36
scientes_here, play as COVID-19Mar 19 05:36
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roy-on-ted-boxalso, densely-populated cities makes these germs harder to contain.. viruses, germs...Mar 19 05:37
scientes_but that has nothing to do with the scare tacticsMar 19 05:37
roy-on-ted-boxthe scare is neededMar 19 05:39
roy-on-ted-boxas people otherwise reject changes to their lifestyleMar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxand the virus would have spread to millions too fastMar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxif 20% need hospitalisation, as reportedMar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxin some cases over 20%Mar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxthat means millions in hospitals here in the UKMar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxthere aren't enough beds and staffMar 19 05:40
roy-on-ted-boxnot enough ICU-type facilitiesMar 19 05:41
scientes_but what about the rates of super bugs in hospitalsMar 19 05:41
scientes_I'm not convinced that the hospital helpsMar 19 05:41
roy-on-ted-boxeven if hotels are converted into temporary hospitalsMar 19 05:41
roy-on-ted-boxscientes_: some people still need hospital-grade careMar 19 05:41
roy-on-ted-boxyes, those can be riskyMar 19 05:41
roy-on-ted-boxbut not as risky as if you're diabeticMar 19 05:42
roy-on-ted-boxand may need infusion of some kindMar 19 05:42
roy-on-ted-boxmany people die in countries that overstretched capacity in their hospitalsMar 19 05:42
roy-on-ted-boxbecause this thing has spread too fastMar 19 05:42
roy-on-ted-boxand they can't seem to slow it down now, the lockdowns came too lateMar 19 05:43
roy-on-ted-boxso many enderly are denied access to facilities they assumed were always available to them shall the need ariseMar 19 05:43
roy-on-ted-boxbut they're all on their own with  a'flu' that is 5 times more deadly -- rates-wise -- then last season's fluMar 19 05:44
roy-on-ted-boxthe health ministers' projections are like orders of magnitude worse than what flu typically casesMar 19 05:44
roy-on-ted-boxyou're looking at possibly  a million or two  dead in the US in one seasonMar 19 05:44
roy-on-ted-boxwhich would be very visible demographicallyMar 19 05:45
roy-on-ted-boxyou could joke about how that passes on inheritance moneyMar 19 05:45
scientes_did I?Mar 19 05:45
roy-on-ted-boxin a popultation that otherwise hoards assets at the topMar 19 05:45
roy-on-ted-box(though life expectancy is DECREASING in the US)Mar 19 05:46
roy-on-ted-boxscientes_: not youMar 19 05:46
roy-on-ted-box 19 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Momento Mori - Unpopular Thoughts on Corona Virus - Craig MurrayMar 19 05:47
roy-on-ted-box 19 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus: Why The US Is In Deep Trouble | Peak ProsperityMar 19 05:50
roy-on-ted-box"Mar 19 05:50
roy-on-ted-boxMay, the current US covid-19 case count of 361 infected will jump to *4+ million*.Mar 19 05:50
roy-on-ted-boxThat is the power of exponential growth.Mar 19 05:50
roy-on-ted-boxIf that indeed happens, our hospitals and clinics will be utterly overwhelmed. Forget getting treatment for the coronavirus or ANY kind of health emergency.Mar 19 05:50
roy-on-ted-box"Mar 19 05:50
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schestowitz__<li><h5><a href="">Handling attacks on a community</a></h5>Mar 19 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Handling attacks on a community []Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__<blockquote><p>A recent message to the debian-project mailing list by Debian project leader (DPL) Sam Hartman is about a proposal to moderate the mailing list. There have been repeated attacks on various project members and the distribution itself posted to the list over the last few years, many from sock-puppet, throwaway email accounts, which spawned a recent discussion on the debian-private mailing list; Hartman was summarizing Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__that discussion for those who are not on the private list. But the problems on debian-project (and other Debian public lists) are kind of just the tip of the iceberg; there is an ongoing, persistent effort to roil the distribution and its community.Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__The discussion on debian-private happened while Hartman was taking a vacation; his summary was partly from catching up with his email and also a continuation of the consensus building work he has done during his DPL term. The debian-private discussion led to a bug report that asked for debian-project to become a moderated list "for the time being", which is where Hartman suggested the technical discussion on how to do the moderation Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__should go. In parallel with the private discussion, there was also a thread on the project list about how distributed moderation of a mailing list might work. The idea is that multiple moderators could help filter out messages from new subscribers to the list.Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__</p></blockquote></li>Mar 19 06:06
schestowitz__are intrestingMar 19 06:06
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schestowitz__going by the comments alone, it's hard to tell apart claims from factsMar 19 06:07
schestowitz__also the chronology of itMar 19 06:07
schestowitz__seems it started with Daniel sending out a message to FSFE membersMar 19 06:07
schestowitz__and some people not being happy about it not being pre-checked by everyoneMar 19 06:07
schestowitz__and that's where the mess startedMar 19 06:07
schestowitz__"Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__<ul>Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__<li><h5><a href="">Handling attacks on a community</a></h5>Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__<blockquote><p>A recent message to the debian-project mailing list by Debian project leader (DPL) Sam Hartman is about a proposal to moderate the mailing list. There have been repeated attacks on various project members and the distribution itself posted to the list over the last few years, many from sock-puppet, throwaway email accounts, which spawned a recent discussion on the debian-private mailing list; Hartman was summarizing Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__that discussion for those who are not on the private list. But the problems on debian-project (and other Debian public lists) are kind of just the tip of the iceberg; there is an ongoing, persistent effort to roil the distribution and its community.Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__The discussion on debian-private happened while Hartman was taking a vacation; his summary was partly from catching up with his email and also a continuation of the consensus building work he has done during his DPL term. The debian-private discussion led to a bug report that asked for debian-project to become a moderated list "for the time being", which is where Hartman suggested the technical discussion on how to do the moderation Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__should go. In parallel with the private discussion, there was also a thread on the project list about how distributed moderation of a mailing list might work. The idea is that multiple moderators could help filter out messages from new subscribers to the list.Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__</p></blockquote></li>Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__"Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__oopsMar 19 06:09
schestowitz__wrong pasteMar 19 06:09
schestowitz__"More background, at least from the FSFE side, can be found in a lengthy message from General Assembly member Florian Snow. There may well be legitimate concerns that Pocock has with the FSFE organizational structure, as noted in this message, for example, but his tactics are seemingly not welcome in that community. As Michael Kesper put it in response to a message from Pocock, where he pointedly does not deny the list-subscription Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__manipulation: "We as a community want to communicate with respect to each other as otherwise no community can survive.""Mar 19 06:09
schestowitz__This suggests a likely GDPR violationMar 19 06:09
schestowitz__assuming this was actually doneMar 19 06:09
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MinceR 19 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectMar 19 06:54
roy-on-ted-boxoil prices will sink, MinceRMar 19 07:02
scientes_oh this is funny 19 07:04
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roy-on-ted-boxblasphemousMar 19 07:05
MinceR:)Mar 19 07:05
scientes_roy-on-ted-box, no it is notMar 19 07:06
MinceR(cat) 19 08:24
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MinceR 19 08:36
oiaohmroy-on-ted-box:  Rate exponential growth depends on population density as well.  Australia with its lower population density in most areas is not looking at the same level of possible explosive growth. Mar 19 08:53
oiaohmFunny enough for Australia the area with the most likely hood of explosive covid-19 growth is   Australian Capital Territory that is Canberra that would 171 people per sq km equal to a lightly populated USA state .    Highest risk for explosive growth in the USA is Washington, D.C. at 4251 people per sq kmMar 19 09:05
oiaohmNotice those numbers a kind of massively different.   So speed of covid spread is going different.Mar 19 09:05
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XRevan86 SARS-CoV-2 photographsMar 19 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Как коронавирус выглядит под микроскопом: новосибирский Вектор показал фотографии коронавируса 19 марта 2020 года | - новости ТюмениMar 19 13:18
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scientes_XRevan86, I believe they have a full DNA sequenceMar 19 13:19
scientes_or rather RNAMar 19 13:19
XRevan86scientes_: That's what they say, yes.Mar 19 13:20
scientes_lets try to find it...Mar 19 13:20
roy-on-ted-box 19 13:20
scientes_I've looked at human, maize, buckwheat, and basically every other food crop is easily availableMar 19 13:20
scientes_ 19 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Resources | ASM.orgMar 19 13:21
scientes_woah cool, actually decent stuffMar 19 13:21
scientes_oh cool, learned today that airplane circulation is designed to prevent spread of repritory illnessesMar 19 13:25
scientes_XRevan86, 19 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Identification of a novel coronavirus causing severe pneumon... : Chinese Medical JournalMar 19 13:32
scientes_didn't find the actual sequence DB, but the paper is interesting and open accessMar 19 13:32
scientes_kinda pissy actually that they say that have a full sequence, and then they don't say where to download itMar 19 13:36
oiaohmscientes_: yes the core design of airplane is there to attempt to prevent spread but it does require to work perfectly that overhead vents are in fact open.Mar 19 13:41
*scientes_ got flu on an airplane onceMar 19 13:42
oiaohmSo its possible for passengers to ruin the protection. Mar 19 13:42
scientes_ruined my christmas tooMar 19 13:42
oiaohmAlso since smoking has been banned on flights the amount of cabin air replacement was reduce to save on fuel cost.Mar 19 13:42
scientes_smoking on flights was always a genius idea.....Mar 19 13:43
MinceRthe fuel already does it :>Mar 19 13:43
oiaohmGuess what was the first thing airlines stopped doing once they got aware of covid 19.  Yep that was turn air replacement rate back up to what it was during smoking was enabled when possable.Mar 19 13:43
oiaohmPlease note that adjustment has to be done by service personal.Mar 19 13:44
scientes_hmmm, lets see, lets put a bunch of people in a pressurized metal tube way up in the sky, with oxygen tanks and lots of fuelMar 19 13:44
scientes_and then someone goes "lets start a fire!"Mar 19 13:44
oiaohmIncreased cases of blood clots in flights trace to bad airquality caused by that lower air replacement rate as well.Mar 19 13:45
MinceRmore like "i'll go crazy if i don't get another hit of my drug real soon" :>Mar 19 13:45
oiaohmSo a percentage of passengers have been killed basically to save a buck. Mar 19 13:45
scientes_MinceR, maybe it was a bad idea to led drug addicts on the flight in the first place?Mar 19 13:45
MinceRprobablyMar 19 13:46
MinceRbut you know, humans doing human thingsMar 19 13:46
scientes_again, this silly concept that humans don't die on their ownMar 19 13:46
scientes_and that only technology can kill themMar 19 13:47
scientes_and only technology can keep them aliveMar 19 13:47
scientes_and that it is illegal to dieMar 19 13:47
oiaohmWhen a person says they will not remain sane if they don't have a cigarette.  They can be telling the truth.   Insane as it sounds nicotine is effective treatment for quite a few metal illnesses.  Mar 19 13:47
scientes_oiaohm, but breathing in smoke is also a pretty stupid thing to doMar 19 13:48
oiaohmSome ways I would agree with a total ban of people going on aircraft with a nicotine problem.Mar 19 13:48
MinceR\m/Mar 19 13:48
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scientes_I smoker is like someone who disconnects the chimney on their wood stove, and just vents it into the houseMar 19 13:49
scientes_*AMar 19 13:49
scientes_You ever had a problem with soot in your chimney?Mar 19 13:50
scientes_that is what smoking does to YOUR BODYMar 19 13:50
MinceR 19 13:51
scientes_And then they add the menthol to dim the pain, pretty soon they will have lidocain-laced tobaccoMar 19 13:51
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oiaohmscientes_: that the point when there was smoking in aircraft they had to vent more air to the outside of the aircraft and pull more fresh air in from the outside and compress it.Mar 19 13:53
oiaohmSo the change over rate of air in the aircraft was faster back in the past.Mar 19 13:53
oiaohmThat also helps with disease spread.Mar 19 13:53
oiaohmIts horrible how many disease prevention systems have been broken just to make more profit.Mar 19 13:57
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cubexyz1980s: fights over cabbage patch dollsMar 19 14:44
cubexyz2020s: fights over toilet paperMar 19 14:44
MinceR2030s: fights over food and waterMar 19 14:48
MinceR2040s: world peace (no more humans)Mar 19 14:48
roy-on-ted-boxhehMar 19 14:49
roy-on-ted-box8 billion cats?Mar 19 14:49
roy-on-ted-boxwith "mice farms"?Mar 19 14:49
MinceRif they can surviveMar 19 14:49
MinceRin the case of nuclear apocalypse, this is unlikelyMar 19 14:49
MinceRin the case of a biological weapon, it may well happenMar 19 14:49
roy-on-ted-boxhumans are prepared for itMar 19 14:50
roy-on-ted-boxlots of toilet rolls!Mar 19 14:50
MinceR...for the cats to play withMar 19 15:15
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roy-on-ted-boxMinceR: that and woolMar 19 15:37
scientes_wool?Mar 19 15:40
scientes_you know cats have fur too?Mar 19 15:40
scientes_how do i type an upside down ? ?Mar 19 15:42
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scientes_¿Mar 19 15:44
scientes_sweetMar 19 15:44
scientes_¿sweet?Mar 19 15:44
MinceRcompose,?,?Mar 19 15:47
scientes_¡correct!Mar 19 15:47
scientes_C♯Mar 19 15:48
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scientes_`HMM´Mar 19 15:49
scientes_hmmmMar 19 15:52
scientes_compose # # => ♯Mar 19 15:52
scientes_but compose b b doesn't => flat symbolMar 19 15:52
scientes_where can i file a bug?Mar 19 15:53
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Mar 19 15:53
MinceRproprietarydesktop, probablyMar 19 15:53
MinceRor x consortium, if there still is oneMar 19 15:53
MinceRor, if there still is oneMar 19 15:54
scientes_like i've been typing CÆSER properly, cause I learned how to use my compose key :)Mar 19 15:54
MinceRtried compose,#,b?Mar 19 15:54
XRevan86scientes_: æyyMar 19 15:54
scientes_MinceR, ahh niceMar 19 15:54
scientes_kinda wierd, but I guess that is OKMar 19 15:54
scientes_♭♯Mar 19 15:55
scientes_Mar 19 15:55
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scientes_"Mar 19 16:30
scientes_The young couple had something important to discuss: they wanted to marry and have children, but were unsure if they could ever raise enough money for the lab tests on the sperm samples (to rule out viral contamination) and the artificial insemination procedure, made necessary by the prohibition against any direct, unsupervised sharing of bodily fluids. There was also the fear that the lab tests would produce a false positive or discover real viral Mar 19 16:30
scientes_contamination—an event that could result in them being committed to solitary confinement in a hospital that would last for as long as it took to be certified virus-free."Mar 19 16:30
scientes_hahahahahaMar 19 16:30
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roy-on-ted-boxscientes_: you have to wonder who in Europe, right now, says "honey, let's make a baby..."Mar 19 17:10
scientes_roy-on-ted-box, the birth rate is lower than in JapanMar 19 17:11
scientes_except among the invading hordesMar 19 17:11
scientes_*barbariansMar 19 17:11
roy-on-ted-boxthis is what you call "them"?Mar 19 17:16
scientes_OK, the FOREX finially changedMar 19 17:18
MinceRbabies are rarely conceived with the express purpose of doing so among the savages, afaik :>Mar 19 17:22
roy-on-ted-boxcan we use more polite terms here by which to refer to people?Mar 19 17:23
scientes_MinceR, toucheMar 19 17:23
roy-on-ted-boxThis is not going to help the site, you know...Mar 19 17:23
scientes_roy-on-ted-box, its just making fun of people that don't speak latinMar 19 17:23
roy-on-ted-boxPeople do actively look for dirt on usMar 19 17:23
scientes_as they sound like "bar" "bar"Mar 19 17:24
roy-on-ted-boxas we're some of tbe latest remaining voice against the CORPORATE "savages"Mar 19 17:24
roy-on-ted-boxI know what you mean, but try not to give ammo to our adversaries, who aren't a racial thing but a class thingMar 19 17:25
roy-on-ted-boxcompanies like Oracle, Microsoft etc.Mar 19 17:25
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DaemonFC[m]roy-on-ted-box: I started referring to the disease as the Orange Flu in reference to Trump.Mar 19 18:03
MinceR:>Mar 19 18:17
roy-on-ted-boxagent orangeMar 19 19:37
superkuhscientes_, "New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54."Mar 19 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nearly 40 Percent U.S. Coronavirus Hospitalized Patients Are Age 20 to 54 - The New York TimesMar 19 19:51
oiaohmsuperkuh: there are two strains of covid-19 virus documented by china.  Ones more lethal than the other.Mar 19 20:04
oiaohmUSA has both.Mar 19 20:04
superkuhnope.Mar 19 20:04
superkuhOnly one paper suggested that. Already refuted.Mar 19 20:04
oiaohmThe usa commonly used test cannot split between two strains.  Mar 19 20:05
oiaohmSorry the refuted is not exactly right.Mar 19 20:05
oiaohmUSA has mixed data.  We know both strains are there.   USA data does not tell us if the more mild strain has changed because they were not using a test to tell the difference.Mar 19 20:07
oiaohmWith the level of mess the usa in making the test as fast and as cost as effective as possible most likely wise move than exact data.Mar 19 20:10
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm: I fully expect a lot of people will just start dropping dead in waves soon.Mar 19 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Two, three weeks.Mar 19 20:13
oiaohmAt least the USA is not Italy where the only detected strain is the most lethal one. Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Many of them will be the ones who believed Trump that this was less serious than the flu.Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]I still see a lot of them on Facebook.Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Well, what about co-infection?Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]That could be worse.Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]We just don't know.Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC[m]With HIV, they tell people this isn't a license to have unprotected sex with other HIV+ because there are dozens of strains and you can end up infected with more than one and then it gets much harder to suppress. Mar 19 20:15
oiaohmsick enough for hospitalized does not mean going to die from it. Mar 19 20:17
oiaohmIts still showing a very low death toll in the younger.Mar 19 20:18
oiaohmScary enough Italy death toll is currently more than the total death toll in china.Mar 19 20:19
oiaohmand that is by raw count not by percentage of population.Mar 19 20:19
oiaohmThe more mild strain appears to help to slow down the lethal strain.   As in you have had the mild strain you don't seam to be a carrier for the more lethal one.Mar 19 20:21
oiaohmItaly kind of lucked out.Mar 19 20:21
DaemonFC[m]The UK seems to be getting whacked even harder than the US.Mar 19 20:39
DaemonFC[m]138 deaths on 2,716 confirmed cases.Mar 19 20:40
DaemonFC[m]On the upside, all of these Trump and Brexit people are going away fast.Mar 19 20:40
DaemonFC[m]When this finishes killing all of the idiots over there, they might actually petition to rejoin the EU.Mar 19 20:41
DaemonFC[m]I'm certain, with what I do know about England, that they managed to fuck up their part of the NHS a lot worse than Scotland's.Mar 19 20:41
MinceR18 131751 < scientes_> MinceR, 19 20:42
MinceRlolMar 19 20:42
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I see you're an optimist.Mar 19 20:42
DaemonFC[m]It's killing mostly old Republicans.Mar 19 20:43
XRevan86It's not that picky.Mar 19 20:43
XRevan86It's killing mostly the elderly.Mar 19 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Which in the US are 82% Republicans.Mar 19 20:45
DaemonFC[m]So it's going to hurt them a lot worse.Mar 19 20:45
XRevan86Even if more old people are Republican, I doubt that will be enough to counteract effects of gerrymandering for instance.Mar 19 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Also, polls say only half of them think this is a big deal.Mar 19 20:45
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: It already changed one election.Mar 19 20:45
MinceRthere are republicans that think? :>Mar 19 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Illinois kept the primary going and turnout among old people collapsed.Mar 19 20:46
DaemonFC[m]And a conservative "Democrat" in IL-3 was defeated by a primary opponent who Sanders endorsed.Mar 19 20:46
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Didn't help Sanders, did it?Mar 19 20:46
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Wait, Sanders endorsed Biden?Mar 19 20:46
DaemonFC[m]No, but it certainly picked off a "Democrat" in a D+10 district that voted with Republicans 90% of the time.Mar 19 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Sanders endorsed Mary Newman against Dan Lipinski in IL-3.Mar 19 20:47
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Ah, localsMar 19 20:47
DaemonFC[m]When they shut down the polls in the nursing homes and terrified old people, it was enough for her to win by a few points, so he now loses his seat in Congress to her.Mar 19 20:47
DaemonFC[m]The House has 435 members and 242 are Democrats.Mar 19 20:48
XRevan86Some voters couldn't attend, yay democracy :)Mar 19 20:48
DaemonFC[m]That's a 24 seat majority.Mar 19 20:49
DaemonFC[m]But Lipinski was voting with Republicans a lot so it's really a 23 majority right now. Even if things stay the same on the count, we basically picked off a Republican Congressman because of the Coronavirus already.Mar 19 20:49
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: It will also kill off a lot of old voters in swing and Leans R districts around the country.Mar 19 20:49
DaemonFC[m]So they'll start losing their remaining Republican seats in blue states for sure.Mar 19 20:49
DaemonFC[m]I figure even if people voted exactly the same as they did in 2016 this year, the Democrats would pick up 12-14 House seats because of that.Mar 19 20:50
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DaemonFC[m]Err 2018 rather.Mar 19 20:50
DaemonFC[m]The fact is, there's a lot of blue state Republicans that only hold on by 1-2 points because of old people.Mar 19 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Enough that this virus could pick off 12 of them even if it doesn't do a hell of a lot really.Mar 19 20:51
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DaemonFC[m]> Even if more old people are Republican, I doubt that will be enough to counteract effects of gerrymandering for instance.Mar 19 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Actually, two states that the Democrats completely took over will be enhancing the gerrymander (Illinois) or completely reversing a 2010 Republican gerrymander (Virginia).Mar 19 21:04
DaemonFC[m]This should cause the two swing districts in Illinois that Republicans lost in the anti-Trump wave to become SAFE D, a Republican district that touches Springfield, IL to switch from Lean R to Lean D, and a Republican to lose his seat downstate when two Safe R districts get smashed together.Mar 19 21:05
DaemonFC[m]Plus it should knock at least 5-6 Republicans out of their House seats in Virginia.Mar 19 21:05
DaemonFC[m]So in 2022, there should be a net total of 6-7 more Democrats in the House from Illinois and Virginia, plus two swing districts that won't swing back to Republican in Illinois.Mar 19 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Plus Lipinski is gone beginning next year.Mar 19 21:07
DaemonFC[m]So there goes a DINO.Mar 19 21:07
DaemonFC[m]This is effectively a permanent swing of about 2% of the total House seats to the Democrats from redistricting. Through 2032. Mar 19 21:07
DaemonFC[m]I already filled out our census forms to make sure we count as living in Illinois until then. Not Indiana.Mar 19 21:08
DaemonFC[m]The Senate can't be gerrymanders.Mar 19 21:08
DaemonFC[m]All states get two Senators regardless of land area or population, and it's a statewide election.Mar 19 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Also, many voter initiatives got passed in red states taking House redistricting away from their legislature and putting it in a commission. In some cases, must be approved by the voters.Mar 19 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Since those were all horribly gerrymandered, they can't possibly get any worse, and might get drawn in such a way that 3-4 more Leans D districts have to be created.Mar 19 21:10
DaemonFC[m]We're looking at the Democrats going from a base of 192 House seats to perhaps 207 counting everything, including the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling.Mar 19 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Which puts them just 11 seats from a House majority before the election happens, instead of 26. Mar 19 21:12
DaemonFC[m]They still need to win 11 of about 90-95 swing districts across the country for a majority, but the House should be pretty safe for Democrats from 2022-2032.Mar 19 21:12
DaemonFC[m]To not win 11 out of 90-95 swing districts, you have to have a very bad year.Mar 19 21:13
DaemonFC[m]So this makes a House Firewall against a possibly continued Republican presidency.Mar 19 21:13
DaemonFC[m]He can obviously do things still, but not having the House cripples the president in a lot of ways.Mar 19 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Suddenly there's a very powerful House Speaker like Pelosi who can obstruct and overshadow the president.Mar 19 21:14
DaemonFC[m]It's a lot harder because he has to lean hard on existing body of law and executive orders. Mar 19 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Basically like Obama did for 6 years.Mar 19 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It wasn't fun.Mar 19 21:15
DaemonFC[m]The next time there's a Democratic president, he can just undo all of it.Mar 19 21:15
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DaemonFC[m]It's basically a dig in and defend position where you can live to fight another day.Mar 19 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Everything the president does is temporary in the long run if he doesn't have the House.Mar 19 21:16
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DaemonFC[m]Black letter law is always better than Executive Orders.Mar 19 21:19
DaemonFC[m]If you get a law passed it's a lot harder to undo.Mar 19 21:19
DaemonFC[m]For pretty much everything, the Senate has to have a supermajority to stop "debating" and move on, and they can't get rid of that filibuster process because the Democrats passed it as a law in the 1980s.Mar 19 21:20
DaemonFC[m]That's why they're not bothering with laws and just confirming appointments to courts and agencies.Mar 19 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Sure, the judges "decide" what the law is, but they also die or retire.Mar 19 21:21
DaemonFC[m]So while many Trump appoints will be there for a while, some will leave, and the next president will deal with more Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr judges that can't hold on any longer.Mar 19 21:22
DaemonFC[m]McConnell is asking older Republican judges to retire now so Trump can hurry up and name an appointment.Mar 19 21:22
DaemonFC[m]But judges are stubborn and not used to being told what to do.Mar 19 21:22
DaemonFC[m]So many will ignore him and hold on for a while.Mar 19 21:22
MinceRwhen did they stop pretending that they're trying to be at least a little impartial?Mar 19 21:38
XRevan86 cute animation Kurzgesagt hasMar 19 21:44
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MinceRthey forgot to mention that there are many coronaviruses and this is just one (or two) strain(s)Mar 19 22:06
MinceRseveral strains cause an ordinary common coldMar 19 22:06
DaemonFC[m]> when did they stop pretending that they're trying to be at least a little impartial?Mar 19 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Well, the local news reported that a guy was stupid enough to flash a gang sign in court here.Mar 19 22:16
DaemonFC[m]The judge told him he was "entitled" to a fair trial, but warned him to stop damaging his own case at the arraignment.Mar 19 22:17
MinceRwell, that's understandableMar 19 22:18
MinceRthe judge is supposed to be in the middle so he can be swayed by the prosecution and the defenseMar 19 22:18
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I started motioning for things right away that didn't make a lot of difference to my case but would give the prosecutor some losses. Also, to get a feel for how the judge saw me.Mar 19 22:22
DaemonFC[m]If she ruled against me, I'd know that I should definitely consider a deal even if it was harsh.Mar 19 22:22
DaemonFC[m]If she mostly ruled for me, I could threaten to take my chances at trial with the prosecution aware of what just happened to them.Mar 19 22:23
DaemonFC[m]When the judge granted all of my motions and said she didn't consider me a flight risk or a threat to the community, I smiled and told her thank you , but made sure the prosecutor saw that. Mar 19 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Then I did some maneuvering behind the scenes so that the state's witnesses just didn't see me as being in the picture anymore and to give my ex the notion I'd just keep making the car payments.Mar 19 22:25
DaemonFC[m]So when they stopped cooperating much with the prosecutor and started downplaying and backpeddling from their own previous story....Mar 19 22:25
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor came and offered me a deal that was like 90% of the way towards beating the original charges entirely. Mar 19 22:26
DaemonFC[m]My strategy wasn't ever to go to court and win. And I would never have won in court.Mar 19 22:26
DaemonFC[m]My goal was to soften up the enemy and create the impression that they were likely to lose, so they would offer me a deal in that frame of mind. Mar 19 22:27
DaemonFC[m]In the end I was basically like "Let's be reasonable. You come down to the pettiest crime that this could possibly be.  Don't mention anything really damaging. We'll say I was a minor nuisance. I take a couple months of minimal probation, pay a small fine. Everyone walks out of here with something.Mar 19 22:28
DaemonFC[m]What is Disorderly Conduct? It's an anything crime really.Mar 19 22:29
DaemonFC[m]It's basically stumbling down the sidewalk drunk thing.Mar 19 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Or yelling at someone in an unreasonable volume of tone of voice.Mar 19 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Or asking someone if they have a dollar.Mar 19 22:29
DaemonFC[m]It's sort of a catch all for when the state wants to slap you.Mar 19 22:30
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